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First of all I hope he stays. He’s a good player. He might go to another championship club for better pay, but in my opinion, no where, except possibly that one hat trick performance eons ago, has he shown anything to suggest he is saleable to a premier league club. 

First of all I hope he stays. He’s a good player. He might go to another championship club for better pay, but in my opinion, no where, except possibly that one hat trick performance eons ago, has he shown anything to suggest he is saleable to a premier league club. 

Goal scorers cost money in fees and wages but you have to play them in their most productive positions 
we currently don’t play with an attacking central midfielder and I don’t see that changing with Warne as the current manager but he may well play Sibley at left wing back where he has performed decently - managers don’t last half a season in the championship on average so being patient has its merits

Yeah but the amount they drop out of games varies. Mcgoldrick for example played as a 10 for us, was always involved and even if wasn’t you got the sense that he had a goal in him. The managers job was to get us in the play offs or promoted, extra time for sibley to find form wasn’t really an option.
Too often with sibley when having a poor game he’s the obvious sub. Invariably he’d then play well off the bench, get a start and not really back it up.
Same as you, i hope he finds a spot and shows his true potential. Agree it’s probably not at derby for Warne. It’s not just Warne not picking him though. Rooney barely ever started him when we had very few options.
the full back/wing back option from Warne might turn out to be the best thing for sibley.

Let's see how fabulous Notts is when they've spent a bit of time in Special Measures.

I've never been to said park, but I'm loving this image. Did the mounds offer a good vantage spot to see the cards of the opponent. Or were they all just playing Patience by themselves from on high?
Were the cards just a cover for cottaging, or worse still a place to plan the decline of Britain by painting a nearby house a strange colour?

On a sunny day, take a stroll along the course of Markeaton Brook all the way up to the park - you'll pass a lot of history, see wildfowl in the brook and some wonderful trees in the park. Urban life at it's best. You can do similar walking from town through Darley Park all the way up to the Shiny Taproom at Little Eaton.
Sh*thole? Only if you lack imagination.

Derby, like Birmingham, like all cities have their good parts and their bad parts, the nicer cities have a better proportion of the good parts.
I went to Vancouver just before the winter olympics in 2009, at the time Vancouver was listed as the third best city in the world, to live in. I went fully expecting some kind of utopia, but was disappointed. One day, whilst walking in a tourist area with my wife and young children, we made a wrong turn and within 100 yards, we were in an area that I would describe as looking like the 'Bronx', with gangs of youths hanging about the streets and rubbish and decay everywhere.

Ah! When you said "a proper debate" I didn't realise you meant at this level! 
I bow out sir, I am no match for you and your thesaurus (and your imagined lack of plants in Derby City Centre)
You win! , 😂 

I think you’re right in your first statements but the lack of long term planning and investment rather depends on having the cash. Which as a nation we don’t have anymore. This has little to do with the current crop of property people but much more to do with the fact that we don’t have industry that exports thus binging real money in to the economy. How we resolve that in the face of competition from outside the old western sphere, who don’t have our welfare systems tolerance or “kindness” I don’t know. 
 
Think this topic needs to go to the pub ?

Mentioned by @Eoghan1884 in the retained list thread, the Mirror fella on X saying Rovrum are interested in Sibley. Suspect it’s the same as me being interested in Keira Knightley, she’s not necessarily going to reciprocate that desire…..but there’s a slim chance, isn’t there?! 😭 

Middlesbrough? Harlow? Rochester? 
Plenty of dumps that aren't diverse or multi-cultural too. What they have in common is higher levels of deprivation.

There's a huge difference between living somewhere and going there on a short break. I think Blackpool is crazy fun for a couple of days but you couldn't pay me enough to live there. Portsmouth, with the naval museum and refurbished shopping area by the Spinaker is actually a really interesting place to visit, but again I'd live in a hundred places in the UK before it.
Undeniably, Derby suffers from inner city decline but then so does every single town or city in the country. It's our changing way of living, the influx of shopping malls and move to online purchasing. I live near Stratford Upon Avon, even they have so many closed shops it is sad to behold. If they can't make a go of the visitor economy then nobody can.

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

I love Derby. Lived here all my life. 
I like that it looks like a giant industrial unit. I wish there was more cladding. Derby gets stuff done. How long have they been messing around in Barcelona with that Sagrada Familia? Get some cladding on it, boom! Done. 
Thankfully the IntuWestfieldOn is slowly killing off all that old stuff. Cathedral quarter is soooo boring compared to the vibrant expandy foam shopping paradise and it's 10 mile shadow. 
Sometimes I go shopping in Notts or we go to laugh at their castle and boast to the locals about our new velodrome corned beef can. They have these silly things going on all the time in the square and it's just so tragic. I feel sorry for them. They'll never know what it's like to navigate the potholes into Derby town and experience the 3 light xmas turn on or even just enjoy lunch while taking in the views outside the Asbestos Rooms. In summer they have a beach. But we have a fountain all year round!! Water not included 
All cities have ran down areas. Derby doesn't. We just have area. I've lived here all my life and I enjoy the potholes as much as anyone. I have faith in our police to protect McDonalds from speeding motorists. Whether I'm in a 16 hour traffic jam because one car broke down or whether I'm taking my tools into yet another HMO, I find the smell of cannabis relaxing.
Some people say a lot of the money invested in Derby has offered no improvements for years. To those people I say where were you when they spent a few mil changing the exit/entry points to parking in Alvaston? 
We went to P'boro not long back. Didn't expect much and after a nice stroll around the Cathedral and sitting out having some food in the square I thought about how I miss the 20ft rings that "symbolise Derby like Big Ben symbolises London"

I watched a programme about North Philadelphia USA last night...fcuking wow...Derby is a Paradise compared to that place, My council tax goes to South Derby's district council, I use all Derby City Council facilities 😊 
Derby is just a little tired looking, City council planning is now more focussed on building multi story blocks of apartments to pull the cash in, An eyesore...imo is the one on Victoria street so so out of place, The one on Gower street is a tip, The old DRI where there's a new development are being snapped up by buyers so they can let them, Already complaints of owners/tenants at loggerheads.
Green lane has gone down hill if you walk from the top of it 😁 drug users at the top of it, Empty shops at the bottom, Saint Peter's street to Irongate is the main thoroughfare you cant help but notice the beer swillers on the benches opposite East street.
No Derby is no sh!t hole far from it.
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”      
 

That’s the thing about these lists. I quite like Chester but I’ve only been to a tiny proportion of the cities in the world (as I suspect many people surveyed have) so I can’t really compare it.
Also, beauty (or prettiness) in the eye of the beholder. If I compare Chester to some of the cities I have been to then it still wouldn’t rank as the prettiest - ranking behind Bruges, Carcasonne, Lucca and Verona without thinking too hard.

I hate these lists. 
One list of the 15 most beautiful cities to visit in the UK actually includes Nottingham, but doesn’t include Chester, my home town. 
Chester was recently voted the prettiest city in the WORLD, ahead of Venice. 
Derby has plenty to offer, trust me. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

It’s a universal problem. Every town and city I have visited in the last 20 years has similar issues. Over crowding, visible evidence of drug taking, waste management, the decline of retail choice and vibrancy caused by the internet age. Ludicrous parking regulations and costs. The loss of skilled jobs following de industrialisation. I suspect it’s similar in many European towns. All were once fuelled by the Wests old industrial prosperity that is no longer there. It’s a world change not a party political thing. Owners of vape shops and takeaways that drive bling filled 4x4’s from their “enterprises” 
The good bits being our lovely parks and gardens, DCFC and Potts on Babington lane. My adopted home has been good to me but I escaped to Belper last year where the biggest problem seems to be dead sheep seen in the weir and the woes surrounding the mill building. 

The decline of so many cities in the UK is heartbreaking to see.
Derby isn't particularly worse than any city of a similar profile or heritage in the UK.
 

I think he means, before you might join the independent pitchfork brigade that Roy founded a while back. There’s one particularly good example of such a tool, in his barn, with PW’s name on it and he’s polishing the tines and putting linseed oil on the shaft ready for the new season when emotions run high. 

I think he means, before you might join the independent pitchfork brigade that Roy founded a while back. There’s one particularly good example of such a tool, in his barn, with PW’s name on it and he’s polishing the tines and putting linseed oil on the shaft ready for the new season when emotions run high. 

Difficult to be precise. It would depend on our league position at the time, the stage of the season, past recent results, how we have been playing across a number of matches, who the opposition were. 
it would be a rational decision, not knee jerk, patience has virtues as last season showed. It would certainly not come from existing beliefs or any particular preset agenda.