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3 failed takeovers, a 2 year embargo, forced to release players, forced to sell players, cap on number of free agents allowed to sign, a League 1 level wage cap for those free agents when in the Championship, a 21 point deduction, a multi year legal battle with the EFL, a legal battle with an ex player, a legal battle with an ex employee, essentially blackmailed into acknowledging Boro's and Wycombe's claims and finally top it all off by getting relegated .... but you know what? I agree with those vocal Forest, Boro, Brum fans on social media and that weird Bristol City fan who's been stalking Derby for what must be half a decade by now .... I don't think we've really been punished enough yet. 

100 per cent. Doesn’t make sense. Looking at league 2 with that penalty. 

What a mad couple of days.
I do think we will find out a lot tomorrow, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a takeover happen by the end of the week with the increased pressure from all corners. 
I really hope there is an inquest into the past 12-18 months, because I'm sure there has been things going on that we simply wouldn't be able to fathom. It still baffles me as to how Mel Morris was able to buy a stadium for £80m, but never transfer any funds to the club at all - as far as I understand it was simply an accounting transaction, but in reality we received no money and lost a stadium. We know he's been a bit underhand for a long time as our 'custodian' but I want all the skeletons. 

No idea what to believe anymore. All seems really strange - 
if CK is a time waster, why spend all that money and time on trying to buy Derby plus he must have shown proof of funds. 
But if he’s genuine etc, why go quiet on Dawes or BAWT or any public acknowledgment of the hold up...
I wondered what if he has the funds but his funds are dodgy? 
Hope there’s some confirmation of good news soon

He shouldn’t be attacked. Maybe his info is wrong but he could possibly be right. The sale should be completed by now surely? And also Dawes said Kirchener had stopped contact- surely Kirchener would put in some reassurance, not just go quiet. I think if Dawes had it in good authority the deal is off, he was right to report that. At the moment it looks like he could be correct. 

He shouldn’t be attacked. Maybe his info is wrong but he could possibly be right. The sale should be completed by now surely? And also Dawes said Kirchener had stopped contact- surely Kirchener would put in some reassurance, not just go quiet. I think if Dawes had it in good authority the deal is off, he was right to report that. At the moment it looks like he could be correct. 

He shouldn’t be attacked. Maybe his info is wrong but he could possibly be right. The sale should be completed by now surely? And also Dawes said Kirchener had stopped contact- surely Kirchener would put in some reassurance, not just go quiet. I think if Dawes had it in good authority the deal is off, he was right to report that. At the moment it looks like he could be correct. 

He shouldn’t be attacked. Maybe his info is wrong but he could possibly be right. The sale should be completed by now surely? And also Dawes said Kirchener had stopped contact- surely Kirchener would put in some reassurance, not just go quiet. I think if Dawes had it in good authority the deal is off, he was right to report that. At the moment it looks like he could be correct. 

No fans have killed the club... the club deserves better than these situations 

No fans have killed the club... the club deserves better than these situations 

Last thing he said was Benitez had landed at East Midlands airport and the sheikh was in bubbles. 

Last thing he said was Benitez had landed at East Midlands airport and the sheikh was in bubbles. 

Last thing he said was Benitez had landed at East Midlands airport and the sheikh was in bubbles. 

How do you know? Thought it was supposed to be last week. Hope there’s a plan B

How do you know? Thought it was supposed to be last week. Hope there’s a plan B

How do you know? Thought it was supposed to be last week. Hope there’s a plan B

Will the team be much weaker than the season just been? Not sure about that- if most of the squad stays. If your prediction of 15k is correct, our support would be weaker than Bolton and Charlton and only just better than Plymouth- probably less actually as DCFC would attract more away supporters. So 15k average would probably mean home fans of 13-14k a lot of matches. Way lower than what will be the case. The home support will be similar to Sheffield Wednesday and what they get now. Think you have underestimated the strength of support in the city. Forest were getting 20k average in league 1 and Derby have had better average attendances than Forest over the last 2 decades so there is a benchmark.

Think we'll have to agree to disagree but interesting take on things.
I would argue it is televised football that is in decline, not live football. The appeal of Man City v Spurs (to take your example) is not the same as it would've been 20/30 years ago...no novelty & people tend to half watch. Of course there is no competition for Saturday 3pm kick offs which is when we will largely be playing.
Going to the match meanwhile is a social thing & a being 'part of the experience' thing. Questions of quality not that relevant therefore but think you might be surprised by the quality in League One compared to the Championship, it isn't that different. We'll be there to support Derby though & how we play is most important. Given the trauma of the last 2 years, I dont think we massively care who we play...that may change in time but not for next season.
Re season tickets, people will remember the fantastic atmospheres at PP this season & will want a part of that again. That had little to do with the opposition or even the quality of football...it was all about us. Suspect we will sell well although some will pick & choose matches as ever. Burton not really comparable being a club tenth of the size of Derby.
As to Crewton's point, a 15k average suggests some gates of 12/13k. I'd be astonished if we went that low. Games against Sheff Weds/Ipswich likely to attract 25k plus & away sides will bring plenty as they will see PP as a big day out. Expect full away allocations from likes of Port Vale, Lincoln & Bristol Rovers as well as the bigger sides.

Will the team be much weaker than the season just been? Not sure about that- if most of the squad stays. If your prediction of 15k is correct, our support would be weaker than Bolton and Charlton and only just better than Plymouth- probably less actually as DCFC would attract more away supporters. So 15k average would probably mean home fans of 13-14k a lot of matches. Way lower than what will be the case. The home support will be similar to Sheffield Wednesday and what they get now. Think you have underestimated the strength of support in the city. Forest were getting 20k average in league 1 and Derby have had better average attendances than Forest over the last 2 decades so there is a benchmark.

Will the team be much weaker than the season just been? Not sure about that- if most of the squad stays. If your prediction of 15k is correct, our support would be weaker than Bolton and Charlton and only just better than Plymouth- probably less actually as DCFC would attract more away supporters. So 15k average would probably mean home fans of 13-14k a lot of matches. Way lower than what will be the case. The home support will be similar to Sheffield Wednesday and what they get now. Think you have underestimated the strength of support in the city. Forest were getting 20k average in league 1 and Derby have had better average attendances than Forest over the last 2 decades so there is a benchmark.

Nonsense.
Our lowest last season was 16,123. Ignore 3 of the first 5 games last season, and our next lowest was just over 20k. 
Ignoring those first 5 games, our average was over 24k.
We started last season with no season tickets on sale, barely 11 players to field the day before the season opener, pessimism looming over the club due to only just avoiding relegation the season before (and the squad being weaker!), and several other factors.

Exactly this. Its such a fallacy to assume success can only arise from a benefactor coming in, throwing cash around & underwriting losses. There will be that expectation of Kirchner from some but the one good thing to come out of Morris' folly is that the counter argument of big spending can (and should) be used to close that expectation down.
Success comes from constantly good decision making. So many more examples of clubs who have improved because of a long term consistent strategy & backroom continuity than clubs buying success. Kirchner has correctly delegated football operations to an experienced CEO in Garry Cook...between him, a well run Academy & a management team rapidly learning on the job, we're seeing building blocks for a well run club put in place. 
I'll confidently predict we wont have a single league attendance at PP in 22/23 as low as 15k, let alone an average that low. If your frame of reference is Division 3 from 1984-86, you're not comparing apples with apples. Much better ground facilities, greater interest in football as a whole & less hooliganism. Add in the feel good factor from the club being saved, novelty of a new division & the defiance shown by the fanbase, I think 15k is incredibly pessimistic. We'll average over 20k.

no way

This is the best. Great shirt. 

Morris gambled and just didn’t run a football club very well apart from the academy investment. He certainly wasn’t a crook like the amigos although the football club has been on the brink of oblivion under his tenure