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Very big week ahead. Will be happy with 4 points, but i'd like us to be Gung Ho for all 6. 

1 hour ago, jono said:

I think your right there. Waggy is all over the pitch. A bit headless at times but at the moment he has an all round something to give a struggling team. I think Sibley will be more effective when our backs aren’t to the wall. 

Waghorn has been pretty bad since he's returned. Constantly losing the ball or making poor passes. He's not contributing much at all right now. 

I understand our current situation keeping him out. But that's also an argument to play him as he's the only player who can bag a brace out of nowhere. 

The best place for him to learn, as with any young player, is playing in the first team. 

I'm starting to grow concerned over the handling of both Sibley and Bird. 

Bird is not a DM. Sibley needs to play. 

1 hour ago, Rampage said:

Pretty difficult to argue with anything that Wayne is doing at present. Remarkable turnaround in results. Attitude and performance if players. Five new players still to be evaluated but Wayne brought those players in for a reason

There's plenty actually. I'm no sycophant. Just like how he's critical even when we have a decent win. We are getting results but that's been down the how impressive Marshall has been along with the defence. For 15+ games they've been playing like an automatic promotion side. We need to improve significantly in other areas of the pitch and when we do, we'll be a team capable of play offs every season. I still think we'll end up 3 wins off 6th spot this season.

Make no mistake, this is some of the worst football I've seen Derby play in a very long time. I thought Cocu ball was bad. I'm very keen to see our approach to matches once we are out of a relegation battle. Which, truth be told, could be up until the final 3 games at this rate. Very tight right now. A team can lose 3 on the trot and then be in a relegation battle. 

3 hours ago, Yani P said:

I wonder who advises him..family or agent?

Never get this type of move so young wont get anywhere near the Liverpool 1st team in years if ever..surely would have made ours much faster. This smacks of a pound signs move..its a shame these youngsters aren't given the time to develop and mature before they make big club moves.

Hope he makes it and fulfills his potential and doesn't end up as another Bostock.

 

If a player is good enough, then they wait for the second time that a club comes in for them, because they will. The lad could have stayed here for another 2 seasons and potentially bagged 50+ appearances. He benefits and so do we. £10m to us is a substantial amount of money. To Liverpool it's next to nothing. Wrong decision. This is the second time this has happened in the last year. The club needs to prevent it from happening again. 

Then again, they shipped Whiticker out like it was nothing. Our outgoings for as long as I remember have been shambolic. There's only a few exceptions. 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

If they're not training well (as Rooney has specified) then in matches they risk injury, or they can't last the whole match. What's idiotic about that? He hasn't said such about Sibley anyway.

Conflating what I'm saying. A player is either match fit or they aren't. If he isn't match fit then he shouldn't be included in the match day squad and the priority is to get him match fit. He isn't unfit. If that gets used as an excuse at any point, it'll be hugely ironic on the managers part, as he was done 60 minutes into every game. 

Football training on the pitch, is almost entirely based on nothing more than football. Not fitness. There's practically no scientific basis for the football training drills. Almost all football managers and coaches don't know if a player is training at the maximumal recoverable threshold. And that's the biggest point, it's a threshold and can vary significantly based on the individual. 

Players are being constantly monitored. But getting the point across to a football coach that X player needs to stop doing so much in the football training is like talking to a brick wall. Even with the data and scientific research presented to them. They are just viewed as lazy or ironically unfit. As the cause of being unfit will be overtraining. 

My point is and was generic. 

5 minutes ago, ramit said:

He definitely has a nasty streak and sometimes behaves as if he's entitled to rough up opposing players.  Have no problem with him being aggressive, but stupid fouls hurt the team.  He should redirect his aggression to winning games, never giving up, always being hungry, which will inspire other players to up their energy, this would help the team.  He can become very valuable on the field, if he manages this.

I get all this. But if I was him I'd think I'm being picked on for no good reason. Rooney was a hothead aggressive player. He's asking us to be less nice and rough up the opponent's. CKR constantly boasts of this attribute of his. 

Waghorn has been accumulating unnessary red cards. Lawrence could practically do whatever the hell he wanted. 

2 hours ago, Shang said:

Sibley and Knight are similar players, they're both dynamic box-to-box ball carriers (as in they prefer to dribble and carry the ball towards goal) but the key difference is that he's a naturally selfish player, which isn't a negative thing.

He's more inclined to work to play himself into a position to shoot, and run off players to get into a scoring position. Knight on the other hand is more likely to bring others into play.

Sibley would run past CKR more, which would leave gaps in our midfield when defending a counter attack. This used to happen quite a lot when he was getting regular games.f Knight tends to be slightly behind the forwards.

I personally think that Rooney will either bring Beni into midfield to partner up with Shinnie and move Knight up, or drop Waghorn in favour or a more productive player (Sibley or Roberts). I don't think Rooney trusts Sibley to defend in midfield.

I can tell you this much. I'm not buying another season ticket until we start playing progressive attacking football. Obviously circumstances are different because of our current position. But I don't think the footballing world has yet to understand this. 

Pride Park would be lucky to get 20,000 fans, if they are allowed full capacity at the start of next season. 

3 hours ago, Addingham Ram said:

Perhaps Sibley doesn't do as much in training as Waggy? Just a thought, not actually read anything to the contrary, but taking Wayne's words at face value, yet Waggy still gets in ahead of Sibley, it does make you wonder.

I hope not, as Sibley appears to have so much potential, and I'm definitely in the 'Let's see him make the grade at DCFC' camp! 

I've always found the lazy in training arguments made by managers to be truly idiotic. It doesn't matter if a player does less than others in training. What matters is what happens in matches. 

Training is about development, recovery, preparation, etc. 

Overtaining is a bigger problem than undertraining. 

3 hours ago, SIXTEEN AGAIN said:

That may be a bit of a set back, landing control on seems a bit difficult to achieve.

Do you know when SN10 will be kitted and ready to go?

If that doesn't work as well i can see them needing a format  for a conventional wheeled landing.

 

What they are trying to do is immense though, straight outta a Sci Fi movie.

The long term plan isn't landing on legs. They want to remove that additional weight so the payload can be larger. Catching them with the launch tower arm. 

33 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Launch attempt right now. Tune in if you  want to see history being made!

This decade is going to be so amazing. 

2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

I'd accept a free with add-ons and sell-on. Stretton is better

I agree about Stretton. 

23 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

That trend has changed significantly in the past few years. These players have been used this season by those clubs

Man City - Foden, Garcia, Harwood-Bellis, Delap, Doyle, Palmer, Nmecha and Barnabe.
Liverpool - Alexander-Arnold, Jones, RWilliams, NWilliams, Kelleher, Phillips, Clarkson, Wilson, Elliott, Koumetio
Man Utd - Rashford, Pogba, McTominay, Greenwood, Henderson, Tuanzebe, Williams, Lingard, Fosu-Mensah
Chelsea - Mount, James, Abraham, Christensen, Gilmour, Tomori, Anjorin, Loftus-Cheek

How many of those are playing regular football? Even Fodens development got delayed by a couple of years for no good reason whatsoever. How can even include Delap for Man City? As soon as a player makes an appearance, is that how low the standard to qualify is?

The opportunities at Chelsea came about because of one manager, Lampard. 

That list is a shocking example of how poor at development those clubs are. You've got a player on that list who is 28. So what are we saying. That's all those clubs have still got onboard, in the space of 10 years of development. 

It's shocking. 

Just now, DCFC1388 said:

I could understand if they were jumping ship for another Champ academy but they are joining Man City, Liverpool & Man Utd - the biggest clubs in the country

Who along with Chelsea, are notorious for not producing enough talent and delaying the opportunity so long that it litterally destroys them and they completely disappear. 

3 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Is this not exactly what we are currently doing? Today we had 3 academy players starting with another 6 on the bench - how much more can we do to show to young players we have a clear route to our first team?

And there's something clearly going wrong, when so many 15/16/17 year olds leave our academy for an opportunity in another clubs academy. 

I personally don't think we should be losing any academy players until they've properly featured for the first team. Because more than anything, it signals they are ready, not to simply waste away in another clubs vast setup. 

Delap is a great example, probably added on 3+ years to when he'll start getting the same minutes as he would have, just staying here and the opportunity for a bigger club would present itself, again and again. 

7 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Why would a club pay that much for players that they can take a club to a tribunal amd pay the deciding fee.

Lots of young players move around clubs, we signed Knight at a similar age from an Irish club.

The only young player who has gone for big money is Bellingham, I cant think of any others?

You are looking at it through the prism of minors. Many clubs have kept hold of players, given them opportunities in the first team and then sell. 

We need to get better at enthasising there is a clear route to the first team. When they make it and a bigger and better opportunity comes, the club will assist in helping the player choose that right opportunity. That we won't treat them like a hostage. 

This move for these lads could end up being a huge step backward because as we all know, our academy sides are full of players stepping into an advanced age group. These lads are most likely in that situation and end up in a matter of weeks being shoved back in Man United's academy, playing with the same age group again. 

1 minute ago, DCFC1388 said:

Its how it works unfortuantly, until a player can sign a pro deal at 17 this is how it is. The compensation structure is there to help pay.

We did the same to Swindon for Bogle & JML

It's how it works, however other clubs are doing a far better job at protecting their young players and then getting a bigger fee. If all of our current academy players were at another club, that club would probably pocket £20m+ were is we are lucky if we get 20% of that. It's not good enough. 

2 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

There was word that the group of under 16s at Derby are incredible.

Be a sad day if they are poached.

 

If this turns out to be true then the club need to bring in some advisors. We are clearly developing an awful lot of talent and we need to put a stop to these players being poached for pennies. It's simply not good enough. 

They must be highly rated. Therefore the terms for us need to be very favourable with clauses. Question is, what are they offering in exchange right now? 

51 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Personally, I haven't seen anything in Whittaker that suggests he's got a big future.

I have. 10lbs more muscle on the lad and defenders will hate him. He can drive forward with the ball so well and has shown he's a tough tackler too. Likes a shot also. 

He just needs a consistent run of games. 

13 minutes ago, mike93rh said:

He's also been given very few minutes considering his ability, in my opinion.

Always irks me when people write off a player who's only being given the ends of games to show what they can do (I don't mean you).

For me Sibley is our best attacking threat we have.

Whittaker too. Big future still for him. 

I've been annoyed at the lack of playing time Sibley has been getting. Especially considering how few goals we are scoring. This lad can create and score as many of his own chances as the rest of them put together. 

Hopefully it's for his development. I've equally been frustrated at Birds lack of involvement. However it's been understandable due to how well Shinnie is doing. When Bird came on against QPR he looked physically bigger and fitter. 

Sibley is above Lawrence in the pecking order for me. Maybe after a few more wins and Rooney is confident a relegation battle is behind us, he'll drop him back in. 

45 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

'the secret scout...' assuming that's the level of his analysis then I'd be mortified if he isn't an 'out of work scout' because he offers absolutely no insight at all. I could've wrote that without seeing him play a single game. 

A teenage left back breaks into the first team.... what does he need... to fill out physically. I mean, you could literally write that about ANY teenage player nevermind a teenage defender. I don't think it's ever not been said about any player. 

Buchanan is plenty physical for his age and where he is in his development. It's lazy to suggest otherwise. He's still very much learning the left back position after coming through the academy as a centre back. He's a decent enough footballer, not outstanding, and his decision making going forward could be much improved. I find his defensive positioning is far beyond many young full-backs, so he deserves credit there. It's easy to lament young full backs for their defensive positioning, but I'd argue that's Buchanan's strength. 

He's not quite the footballer that Bogle is/was, but he's a much more rounded defender. I doubt many Premier League teams are going to be interested, though, as they look towards the flashy footballers first and then want to develop the fundamentals at a later date.

Yeah you can see he's still not quite comfortable. Which is funny because he's got all the other attributes.

I don't think he's quite realised yet that he's stronger than most opponent's, quicker and better in the air. 

When the penny drop's he'll be a nightmare. If he had Bogle's confidence he'd be unbelievable. 

5 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

Stephen Pearce was on Radio Derby last week saying we would only sell if it made financial sense.

Selling one of the best 16 year olds in the country for £1 million makes no financial sense at all.

I don't care what financial situation we are in this is disgusting.

If he's that good. Which he obviously is (already training with the first team and Rooney said he's one of the best in training)

Then you keep hold of him and get him in the first team next year.

Just like Birmingham did with Jude Bellingham. He was on of the best 16 year olds in the country. One season in the first team and he's off for £35 million. 

I mean it's pretty clear that everything Stephen Pearce said on the Radio was a lie.

Sums up my feelings entirely. Another season or two with us and he'll get game time and we can sell him for £20m+. 

The lad and Derby both lose in this situation. He's not going to be playing for Liverpool for years. What's the point? 

I don't understand how FFP is a factor? Revenues have been hit significantly. What do people expect. If it's down to FFP tell them to bloody do one.