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It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

They’ve obviously decided they were wrong about everything and have agreed to rescind the whole points deduction. Well played EFL. 

We have to wait for Nixon to read the Daily Telegraph.

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

Their press statements make about as much sense as their rules. 

I think you are right. Except there is nothing dodgy about it. It's called a compromise.

Don't understand why we appealed anyway...?
 
We broke the rules and knew the consequences. Take the punishment 

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

The fact is, if we grab a couple of wins then it's all there for us again. There are 87 points to play for after all and if we can turn in performances akin to the way we played against Millwall then we can still escape the clutches of the evil EFL. In the interim...

It’s not so much that what he says isn’t untrue, just the gusto and apparent pleasure he takes in saying it that rankles! 

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

It’s not so much that what he says isn’t untrue, just the gusto and apparent pleasure he takes in saying it that rankles! 

Ah, that legendary Bris positivity. How I've missed it ?

You and Angie picked a young lad up? Is he any good?

Yep, we signed Nick Blackman this way and he was pretty decent 

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

The first 8 posts on the thread are about the 'incident' on Saturday. The vast majority of the rest are about our fans behaviour and similar societal issues, so in my view it has deflected from that specific incident. 
As far as the suggestion that it was racial abuse, given the location it happened, I'm content to use Occam's Razor to determine the most likely answer. And to be frank, I really don't care if that is discriminatory to Millwall fans because they are in denial about it as usual anyway.

We’re down already. Only chance we have is if the gap is down to seven points maximum by January.
But if anything, it looks like it will be bigger.
We needed at least midtable form to have a chance. But we’re in relegation form regardless of the points deduction.