ianm Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Or many more kids are becomin ManUre, Chelski, Scouse etc fans. I was talking more the 14 to 25 band these are the ones you need to connect with and get them hooked going with their mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 If we lose, we should all get free tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Numbers were not plucked out of thin air I was in there that section is normally pretty empty. There were well more than the away fans at least 800 and probably well over a thousand and those tickets were FREE. And you know they were free how? Did your horoscope tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 You would have to question how much of the game you actually saw whilst doing a head count around the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 the game is the secondary priority compared to how many free tickets we give away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Was there a match on Saturday? I was just people watching. Just checked on BBC and we won 3-1! Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianm Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 And you know they were free how? Did your horoscope tell you? People were happy to say they were free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trentsideram Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I was talking more the 14 to 25 band these are the ones you need to connect with and get them hooked going with their mates. Fact is, 14-25 year olds have very little cash. Youth unemployment is incredibly high and even those in jobs/uni/college at that age haven't got a lot of money to pay for afternoons out like that - much cheaper to go down to the pub or round your mates' to watch the footy on TV. When you've got to pay for running your car, rent, taxes and bills, there isn't gonna be much left for football for your average under 25 year old. Im in that age bracket now and at Uni. When you've only got £30 a week disposable income (after paying for food and everything, even a £15 ticket seems expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianm Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Fact is, 14-25 year olds have very little cash. Youth unemployment is incredibly high and even those in jobs/uni/college at that age haven't got a lot of money to pay for afternoons out like that - much cheaper to go down to the pub or round your mates' to watch the footy on TV. When you've got to pay for running your car, rent, taxes and bills, there isn't gonna be much left for football for your average under 25 year old. Im in that age bracket now and at Uni. When you've only got £30 a week disposable income (after paying for food and everything, even a £15 ticket seems expensive. There are plenty of working lads with disposable income who are not attracted to go to the match, you tend to have more money than when you have children etc. We used to attract lads off the big estates and take huge numbers to away games, 15 to 20 years ago we would have taken 4,000 to Peterbrough but the club is not appealing or wanting to appeal to that type of fan. With respect we do seem to attract the Uni type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 So we're neglecting building the youth support, yet simultaneously giving out freebies to too many kids? We're comparing our income with Forest unfavourably and blaming it on freebies, despite the average season ticket price being much lower (and lets face it, the VAST majority of people in the ground are there with a season ticket)? Plus the effects of playoffs, cup runs to confuse things yet saying it's easy to understand? All just numbers, plucked out of thin air. Completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 So we're neglecting building the youth support, yet simultaneously giving out freebies to too many kids? We're comparing our income with Forest unfavourably and blaming it on freebies, despite the average season ticket price being much lower (and lets face it, the VAST majority of people in the ground are there with a season ticket)? Plus the effects of playoffs, cup runs to confuse things yet saying it's easy to understand? All just numbers, plucked out of thin air. Completely meaningless. Perhaps ianm needs his pal Gerald Mortimer to do an expose in the DET, much like the one that saved us from losing Nigel the other week 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Is this thread still going after 10 pages? Bloody ell Ianm - .....Like a dog with a bone comes to mind Are you ready to divulge your club connection yet btw? Go on, give us a clue at least, I dare you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianm Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 So we're neglecting building the youth support, yet simultaneously giving out freebies to too many kids? We're comparing our income with Forest unfavourably and blaming it on freebies, despite the average season ticket price being much lower (and lets face it, the VAST majority of people in the ground are there with a season ticket)? Plus the effects of playoffs, cup runs to confuse things yet saying it's easy to understand? All just numbers, plucked out of thin air. Completely meaningless. There is a big difference between youths who make their own decisions and kids who go because their dads want them too as young as 4 or 5. There is a big drop off in interest in football in kids as they get older it is the ones going at 14 plus who are the ones much more likely to keep going into adulthood. The freebies end at age 12. Those numbers are not plucked out of thin air they are in the annual accounts they had gate income considerably higher than us inspite of us having 6-7000 higher gates every match that is 23 games. There was one play off match we also had 3 home FA Cup games that season. Yes they have higher ST prices but that season we had a lot more ST holders. This is not meaningless if we had the same gate income as Forest 750,000 extra over 2 seasons, that is your proven Championship striker that so many say we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianm Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 Is this thread still going after 10 pages? Bloody ell Ianm - .....Like a dog with a bone comes to mind Are you ready to divulge your club connection yet btw? Go on, give us a clue at least, I dare you! Just answering points and educating, it may not be what people want to hear but it makes people aware of what actually does occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hucknall Ram Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 why don't you tell Mr Glick this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I'd like to see us compared to teams that in recent years we have finished amongst. Not teams that have been in the play offs for the last 2 seasons. Coventry City Doncaster Rovers Barnsley Watford Ipswich Town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just answering points and educating, it may not be what people want to hear but it makes people aware of what actually does occur. Oooooh - did you get that guys? We need educating! Is it cos we is ignorant? 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just answering points and educating, it may not be what people want to hear but it makes people aware of what actually does occur. Now let's think, should I take the word of someone from the club who would have no reason to lie, or from someone who's only agenda seems to be ****-stirring and criticising the current board for whatever reason. mmmmm, tricky one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hucknall Ram Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 All we want is not to be told but to be shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Regarding the "youth support", i'm more inclined to side with Ianm here. Our support has a high proportion of kids under 12 and adults over 60. This is fine, they have equal rights to be a fan as anyone else. However, there aren't many 16-25 year olds. These are as much the future of our support as the kids under 12, yet are capable of paying their own way (in the main) so the club would be wise to get them more involved. I look around our away ends on a Saturday afternoon and there's a lot of pensioners, a lot of 40 something blokes on a p*ss up, a lot of kids, but not many "young adults". These are lads that make an atmosphere, that have the time to go to pretty much every game, that have a bit of disposable cash to waste on tickets, beer and food, yet the club don't really seem to cater for them. "Back in the day", the football specials would be packed with lads in their late teens and early twenties, and are most likely still going now and have bought their kids up supporting the Rams. Nowadays though, i'm 19 myself, there's not many of my mates who go to the football - I can think of four that also come to watch Derby, one who travels a rediculous amount of miles to watch Sunderland every week, and another who goes to watch Burton. Now the amount of us who used to go when we were 8-14, sometimes with our parents, sometimes with our footy teams/schools was about ten times that number. Why don't they go anymore? Too expensive, have to sit down and shut up, and the beer's rubbish and expensive. Thems the reasons, but unfortunately clubs don't seem to want that type of fan and fail to cater for them. Shame because that's what will cause our support to die in my opinion - it's all very well getting them in at 8 or 9, but as soon as they're old enough to go on their own, they are being lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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