RadioactiveWaste Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: Yes, I'd say the lack of engagement from people he approached is definitely a combination of NDAs, personal loyalties/friendships and that fact that a lot of them are still in the game and probably deem it wise not to burn any bridges. The idea that people refused to talk to him simply because he's not a good enough journalist is laughable This. The whole period might benefit from a book in ten or fifteen years time when a few more are willing to give their account. I liked Conway but I saw him more as a "sports writer" than journalist, if that makes sense, he was good talking about the game, he has a decent understanding and was good about getting that across. Given the difficulty all journalists had dealing with the club during the late-mel into administration period im not surprised he didn't fare much better than anyone else. And it was Ed Dawes of radio Derby who broke the collapse of the Kirchner takeover (and got dogs abuse for his troubles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, TomTom92 said: Cocu's football was horrendous, slow possession based football that would see us squander the couple of chances a game we'd get by trying to walk it in to the net. No denying he walked in at the wrong time, straight after FL but with none of the funding. But his second season was a disaster. Think as a general rule Rooney is looked upon in better light because A) He was a rookie manager whereas Cocu had a solid record with PSV and B) How he kept us together during the admin season. Speculation of course, but i'm not sure we'd have shown the same fight with Cocu as manager. Cocu’s football second season was horrendous for a couple of reasons. We had no striker. Literally none. Chris Martin left, and Kazim was injured. Cocu’s entire philosophy was built around having a number 9 who could hold up the ball. He was forced to play Rooney. An unfit overweight midfielder who couldn’t run. He also lost Huddlestone, his controlling midfielder, and Bielik was injured. We had no protection and no pressing energy in midfield. Under such circumstances any manager would have taken us down. Rooney couldn’t be carried. kevinhectoring, Derby4Me and IslandExile 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcidaho Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Cocu’s football second season was horrendous for a couple of reasons. We had no striker. Literally none. Chris Martin left, and Kazim was injured. Cocu’s entire philosophy was built around having a number 9 who could hold up the ball. He also let go Marriott in the preceding summer. We can debate the qualities of Marriott all day, but to let him go, and go into the season with NO striker, was astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, jcidaho said: He also let go Marriott in the preceding summer. We can debate the qualities of Marriott all day, but to let him go, and go into the season with NO striker, was astonishing. Ermm. Marriott started the first game of that season. And scored the second game. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, BondJovi said: Ermm. Marriott started the first game of that season. And scored the second game. Although Marriott wasn't fit at all just less crippled than Lawrence (I know he's not a striker), Waghorn, CKR.... I held on with Cocu longer than a lot but ultimately, he had to go, his time had ran out and we needed the change. Could he have succeeded in happier times? Maybe, maybe not, probably the not in the end. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, TomTom92 said: Cocu's football was horrendous, slow possession based football that would see us squander the couple of chances a game we'd get by trying to walk it in to the net. No denying he walked in at the wrong time, straight after FL but with none of the funding. But his second season was a disaster. Think as a general rule Rooney is looked upon in better light because A) He was a rookie manager whereas Cocu had a solid record with PSV and B) How he kept us together during the admin season. Speculation of course, but i'm not sure we'd have shown the same fight with Cocu as manager. Yet we were 8th top scorers (62 goals scored) in the only full season Cocu had as manager. In the 2nd season, we went into the 1st game with only a few attacking options: Sibley - had only played 739 minutes in the league by this point. Whittaker - had only played 400 minutes in the first team at this point) Marriott - disinterested and forgot how to shoot, lasting only a couple of games before injury. Rooney - disinterested and even more overweight than ever before. Knight - the only attacking player of a suitable level to play consistently Whilst Jozwiak soon returned to the squad, his end product at our club was non-existent. Holmes was not long after that, but even he hasn't got the best end product. We went 3 games without defeat when Lawrence, Waghorn and Kazim returned to the squad (coinciding with Rooney being out due to Covid), only to start struggling again with Rooney playing again. We picked up just 4 points from the 10 games Rooney played in, averaging 80 minutes across those games. 1 hour ago, jcidaho said: He also let go Marriott in the preceding summer. We can debate the qualities of Marriott all day, but to let him go, and go into the season with NO striker, was astonishing. Wrong summer (in was 2021), but we didn't let Marriot go. We extended his contract, only for the EFL to withdraw the approval. We also tried to keep Wisdom and Waghorn, but both chose to leave. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Cocu’s football second season was horrendous for a couple of reasons. We had no striker. Literally none. Chris Martin left, and Kazim was injured. Cocu’s entire philosophy was built around having a number 9 who could hold up the ball. He was forced to play Rooney. An unfit overweight midfielder who couldn’t run. He also lost Huddlestone, his controlling midfielder, and Bielik was injured. We had no protection and no pressing energy in midfield. Under such circumstances any manager would have taken us down. Rooney couldn’t be carried. Its quite simple.. the dutch philosophy of possession based football played under a glacially slow tempo, with minimal purpose and even less tempo doesnt work in england domestically. Its fine doing it in holland with one of the big two who significantly bigger resources and better budgets to make it work but u only need look how s*** united look under ETH as another v obvious example. Edited October 17, 2023 by NottsRam77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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