Are Derby players deferring wages?

[goldstar]

3 minutes ago, nottingram said:

I wouldn’t worry, seems like you have to Harvard reference your posts defending him while @goldstar can assert he earns £100k per week and pays no tax on it in a matter of fact way without worrying if it’s true or not.

You must be joking, the amount of times I've been asked for evidence, bias in play there i think. 

You carry on worrying about poor Rooney

[goldstar]

32 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

The bold bits:
I'm far from aggressive.  I'm not happy to see people in the gutter.  I'm certainly not worried about them.  I was under the impression that this was open for discussion, and for folk to air their opinions, what with this being a discussion forum.  I assure you I am not losing any sleep on this specific matter.

I put all the above misunderstanding down to my poor writing skills, so apologies for not conveying my opinions and thoughts very well.

 

The underlined bit:
Where did I say I thought it was immoral for players to go a month without pay?  I clearly didn't write that!
I put that particular misunderstanding down to your poor reading skills!

 

The italics:
I'm with you all the way on that score... but footballers are not to blame.

 

PS:
I'm not fighting any cause, right or wrong.  Merely having a chat.  I've never fought for a cause in my life.  It's not in my nature.  I've never felt strongly enough about anything to do so.  57 years of just plodding on... and counting!

UTR.  ?

Apologies if i misread, to me this is all showing the greed and state the world is in. I don't pretend I'm a saint or perfect, but i know damn well if i was in a well paid footballers position, i would be the first to recognise how privileged i was and not point the finger the other way to save my own skin. 

Add in the behaviour or Walker and now Rooney in the news this morning and i think the whole thing needs looking at. They are losing touch with reality and the average fan. 

[richinspain]

2 minutes ago, goldstar said:

Apologies if i misread, to me this is all showing the greed and state the world is in. I don't pretend I'm a saint or perfect, but i know damn well if i was in a well paid footballers position, i would be the first to recognise how privileged i was and not point the finger the other way to save my own skin. 

Add in the behaviour or Walker and now Rooney in the news this morning and i think the whole thing needs looking at. They are losing touch with reality and the average fan. 

What has Rooney said or done this morning?

[goldstar]

He was found by police socialising with Walker just days after Walker paid for two escorts to go to his home, hours after he did a piece about staying in

[nottingram]

Just now, goldstar said:

You must be joking, the amount of times I've been asked for evidence, bias in play there i think. 

You carry on worrying about poor Rooney

What on earth are you on about?

You made the claim Rooney is on £100k a week and pays no tax and then have the cheek to ask for evidence when someone makes a counter point.

I won’t be worrying about Rooney - I’m sure he’ll be just fine. I’m sure he’ll be making a donation or taking a cut but his point that it shouldn’t be standard across the board is absolutely correct. His point that footballers do more for society with their tax contributions than those businessmen who have it all tucked up abroad in tax havens is also absolutely correct.

@Alpha ‘s point is spot on. People will generally live to their means. I don’t earn a huge amount but it’s above minimum wage. Currently I rent a nice 2 bed in the outskirts of West Bridgford. I really like it here apart from the stench every other Saturday afternoon as 20,000 ugly Bamfords roll into town. I could probably live somewhere for much cheaper but why should I? Then extrapolate that to footballers - they might have their money tied up in investments or property and not be ‘cash rich’. Of course they are still wealthy but might not have the liquidity to absorb a pay cut to the tune of what is being mentioned. 

[Day]

4 minutes ago, goldstar said:

He was found by police socialising with Walker just days after Walker paid for two escorts to go to his home, hours after he did a piece about staying in

Rooney was out walking with his family, his neighbour Kyle Walker was also out walking with his family separately when their kids spotted each other as they go to the same school and ran over to each other. Police happened to be in the right place right time.

Ok, what they did was still wrong, but they weren’t partying or driving out to each other’s house.

[Tyler Durden]

7 minutes ago, nottingram said:

@Alpha ‘s point is spot on. People will generally live to their means. I don’t earn a huge amount but it’s above minimum wage. Currently I rent a nice 2 bed in the outskirts of West Bridgford. I really like it here apart from the stench every other Saturday afternoon as 20,000 ugly Bamfords roll into town. I could probably live somewhere for much cheaper but why should I? Then extrapolate that to footballers - they might have their money tied up in investments or property and not be ‘cash rich’. Of course they are still wealthy but might not have the liquidity to absorb a pay cut to the tune of what is being mentioned. 

The Meadows ?

[richinspain]

12 minutes ago, goldstar said:

He was found by police socialising with Walker just days after Walker paid for two escorts to go to his home, hours after he did a piece about staying in

 

5 minutes ago, David said:

Rooney was out walking with his family, his neighbour Kyle Walker was also out walking with his family separately when their kids spotted each other as they go to the same school and ran over to each other. Police happened to be in the right place right time.

Ok, what they did was still wrong, but they weren’t partying or driving out to each other’s house.

Cheers. Two very different ways of reporting the same thing. A bit like match day I suppose ?

[nottingram]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

The Meadows ?

Other side of West Bridgford, I promise!

[Day]

7 minutes ago, richinspain said:

Cheers. Two very different ways of reporting the same thing. A bit like match day I suppose ?

Got to read beyond the headlines I guess.

Like for example Wayne Rooney makes stunning £750k donation days before Christmas.

You think wow what a guy, maybe footballers are not all bad, but then it turns out he was money raised through fundraising from his foundation so not directly out his pocket, absolutely disgusting if you ask me. 

Don’t get me started on the £100k donation to Manchester bombing victims, again from his foundation and not his own pocket. Makes me sick I tell you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/generous-everton-star-wayne-rooney-11740022.amp

[goldstar]

12 minutes ago, David said:

Rooney was out walking with his family, his neighbour Kyle Walker was also out walking with his family separately when their kids spotted each other as they go to the same school and ran over to each other. Police happened to be in the right place right time.

Ok, what they did was still wrong, but they weren’t partying or driving out to each other’s house.

Exactly, it was wrong, if it was one of us, I'm sure there would be someone on the forum saying how people aren't following the rules. 

Add Walker's admission about paying those 2 girls to come over just after telling us all to stay home, and their reputation continues to remain tainted. 

[goldstar]

18 minutes ago, nottingram said:

What on earth are you on about?

You made the claim Rooney is on £100k a week and pays no tax and then have the cheek to ask for evidence when someone makes a counter point.

I won’t be worrying about Rooney - I’m sure he’ll be just fine. I’m sure he’ll be making a donation or taking a cut but his point that it shouldn’t be standard across the board is absolutely correct. His point that footballers do more for society with their tax contributions than those businessmen who have it all tucked up abroad in tax havens is also absolutely correct.

@Alpha ‘s point is spot on. People will generally live to their means. I don’t earn a huge amount but it’s above minimum wage. Currently I rent a nice 2 bed in the outskirts of West Bridgford. I really like it here apart from the stench every other Saturday afternoon as 20,000 ugly Bamfords roll into town. I could probably live somewhere for much cheaper but why should I? Then extrapolate that to footballers - they might have their money tied up in investments or property and not be ‘cash rich’. Of course they are still wealthy but might not have the liquidity to absorb a pay cut to the tune of what is being mentioned. 

What on earth are you on about? Never said he pays no tax, the person i was responding to read it wrong as i failed to phrase/explain it correctly if you look above. 

Thanks for the run down of your living arrangements, not that i care. Forgive me for being slightly amazed that someone could justifiably live up to the limit of their hundreds of thousands of pounds a week wage. 

Find something better to defend. 

[Day]

2 minutes ago, goldstar said:

Exactly, it was wrong, if it was one of us, I'm sure there would be someone on the forum saying how people aren't following the rules. 

Add Walker's admission about paying those 2 girls to come over just after telling us all to stay home, and their reputation continues to remain tainted. 

Well, next time he scores I won’t be applauding because he bumped into Walker whilst on a walk

[goldstar]

3 minutes ago, David said:

Well, next time he scores I won’t be applauding because he bumped into Walker whilst on a walk

One rule for footballers, another for us plebs. 

[richinspain]

2 minutes ago, goldstar said:

Exactly, it was wrong, if it was one of us, I'm sure there would be someone on the forum saying how people aren't following the rules. 

Add Walker's admission about paying those 2 girls to come over just after telling us all to stay home, and their reputation continues to remain tainted. 

Unfortunately with the law as it currently stands over in the U.K., it is easy for incidents like this to happen. Both families it would appear were walking in a fairly secluded place (am I right in thinking that golf is not a permitted exercise?). It's human nature to stop and chat to a friend you meet whilst out. The new laws are just that, new. I've seen a couple of people I know when out shopping (we're not allowed out to exercise), and stopped to ask how they were. It's not that difficult under your rules to see friends and without thinking chat for a few minutes. It's wrong and we all have to make a conscious effort, but it will take time for it to be a natural reaction not to get too close.

[Day]

7 minutes ago, goldstar said:

One rule for footballers, another for us plebs. 

The rule which many are blatantly ignoring you mean, holding parties, meeting up for group cycles, BBQ’s on the beach.

Planned events.

Rooney’s kids spot their schoolmates and neighbours whilst out separately taking their exercise which is allowed and run over to them.

Kids are kids, can be hard to control at the best of times. Did Rooney and Walker run over, quick hi and you naughty boy Walker, when the police swooped as they spotted the pair? Great chance to talk to two well known footballers?

I wonder how many on this forum have flaunted the rules, going shopping frequently to top up essential beer supplies. Maybe bumped into a neighbour whilst out getting the morning paper of yesterday’s news.

Yes what they did was wrong, but let’s not put him on the same level of Walker and Grealish because he earns too much money for your liking 

[Alph]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Cant agree with that mate.

Sure some are but there are plenty that aren't.

Footballers, like all employees, are there to generate income for their company.

If all footballers were worth their money then their companies would not be loss making.

Not looking to single out any player but tell me Ikechi Anya is worth his money.

FWIW I dont blame the players either, it is the company that give out the contracts.

I guess.

But Anya would argue his value/his worth is what Derby are prepared to pay. Whether they utilise his ability is up to them but he's offering his service. 

I don't think it's Anya's fault that Dave the kit man is played off. But it seems people want him to take the financial hit for it. I kinda don't see why he should.

Genuine question, are companies in other industries doing the same for their lower staff than their high level? Or are they free to lay some off and keep the upper echelons in work/fully paid.

I mean the core of Derby is it's players. The brutal reality is Dave the Kit man can  be replaced easier than Wayne Rooney. In a pinch the club are going to look after their best interest. It sounds unfair. But are we worried about fairness when it's us that can make a difference out of our own pockets. 

Are all UK millionaires happy to give up a percentage of their income. Should they? What is the cut off point? What should you be allowed to earn? 

Haven't read the stories but I'm guessing the accompanied pictures are the very highest earners in the top flight? I bet there's players in there that earn well below the average wage at Man City/Chelsea etc who are running businesses that can't work during the crisis. 

I know that wasn't your point and I've rambled on

[goldstar]

2 minutes ago, David said:

The rule which many are blatantly ignoring you mean, holding parties, meeting up for group cycles, BBQ’s on the beach.

Planned events.

Rooney’s kids spot their schoolmates and neighbours whilst out separately taking their exercise which is allowed and run over to them.

Kids are kids, can be hard to control at the best of times. Did Rooney and Walker run over, quick hi and you naughty boy Walker, when the police swooped as they spotted the pair? Great chance to talk to two well known footballers?

I wonder how many on this forum have flaunted the rules, going shopping frequently to top up essential beer supplies. Maybe bumped into a neighbour whilst out getting the morning paper of yesterday’s news.

Yes what they did was wrong, but let’s not put him on the same level of Walker and Grealish because he earns too much money for your liking 

Not on the same level as Grealish or Walker at all, and Walker is as much the guilty party, but if they can't even abide by the rules themselves, yet put out preaching videos on social media, I'm justified in calling them out on it. 

[nottingram]

16 minutes ago, goldstar said:

What on earth are you on about? Never said he pays no tax, the person i was responding to read it wrong as i failed to phrase/explain it correctly if you look above. 

Thanks for the run down of your living arrangements, not that i care. Forgive me for being slightly amazed that someone could justifiably live up to the limit of their hundreds of thousands of pounds a week wage. 

Find something better to defend. 

I do hope one day you become less angry at the world. 

Stopping funding a sport you clearly despise may be a start. You could then donate the money to the NHS instead and use the time saved on learning how to not miss people’s points so spectacularly. Do hope it doesn’t offend you when someone tells you what to do with the money you’ve earned.

[goldstar]

Just now, nottingram said:

I do hope one day you become less angry at the world. 

Stopping funding a sport you clearly despise may be a start. You could then donate the money to the NHS instead and use the time saved on learning how to not miss people’s points so spectacularly. Do hope it doesn’t offend you when someone tells you what to do with the money you’ve earned.

Not angry at all, just dismayed. I have been thinking that for a while, it is very hypocritical of me, i freely admit it. 

Not at all, i don't earn enough to make a sizeable donation but do help out with Go Fund Me's for individual's cancer treatments when i can so that my money doesn't go into some greedy CEO's pocket first. 

Perhaps you could think about finding something more worthwhile and honourable to defend, you seem to be very riled up about very very rich men perhaps being only very rich for a short while. Get a hobby, learn a new trade, learn a new language perhaps?