ramit Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Good times, the fun will never end and Mike Pence gets to be a queen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TramRam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: You started by pointing out my run-on sentence. I know there's issues with anti-Semitism in the Labour party membership, and if the senior party apparatchiks hadn't decided to undertake a suicide mission to bomb out Corbyn, maybe it could have been dealt with it. But the party "moderates" (ha-ha) thought it far better to let anti-Semitism (and other complaints) fester and go unaddressed, as long as it brought down the leadership. Now Starmer is in position, I suspect we'll hear a lot less about Labour's institutional anti-Semitism problem. We know there's issues with Islamophobia, not just in the Tories but probably across the whole of society. Much of this is visible in the Tory membership, but I think we've seen enough incidents in comments from their MPs to ask questions. As for UKIP, they were putting forward candidates who had outrageous views and indefensible racist opinions. That's next level stuff in my opinion. All the above i'm well aware of, UKIP as we know had their share of racists pre being a member, Labour and Tory also accepted membership of racists, But they only became known as racists when historical posts came to the fore, Unfortunately those who wish to take up a political career had better be cleaner than Snow White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said: I'm a socialist and a trade union member. Am I an extremist? I think it’s fair to say you might take your arguments to an extreme length, and sometimes offer unreliable data that suits your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: The only other part of his introduction was "I’m a nurse in the Emergency Medical Unit at St Thomas Hospital. I’m an active socialist and trade unionist" I didn't pick that bit out because I didn't think there was anything in that which seemed like anyone would even bother to argue were extremist views So I guess what I'm picking up is that you definitely consider being a socialist and/or trade unionist an extremist view It's one thing to say that he's clearly going to be left-biased (undoubtedly correct) but to claim that these are extremist views is out of order 'active socialist and trade unionist' - implies a certain strength of political opinion. What if someone else put 'anti-immigration capitalist and free speech warrior' in theirs. Would you not assume they were a Daily Mail reader? I didn't offer his bio up as conclusive proof, it was just another piece of the jigsaw - for example most lefties don't run their own Far Right Watch website; https://www.farrightwatch.net/ 15 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I'm a socialist and a trade union member. Am I an extremist? No, really? I'm shocked ? I'll 'take the fifth' and let everyone else decide whether you're an extremist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, maxjam said: I'll 'take the fifth' and let everyone else decide whether you're an extremist! I know you've got your tongue in cheek, but it's not really a joking matter to start claiming people are extremist for having views that are not centrist If people genuinely think I'm an extremist for veering leftwards from the centre on discussion forum, then by definition you and various other posters would also be deemed extremist for veering in other direction from the centre. None of us have views anywhere near the extremes in my opinion. The term should be reserved for people who are engaging in terrorism, inciting violence and spreading hatred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I'm a socialist and a trade union member. Am I an extremist? Absolutely.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I know you've got your tongue in cheek, but it's not really a joking matter to start claiming people are extremist for having views that are not centrist Fortunately you've never called me personally a nazi or a facist on this forum - at least not in any post that wasn't subsequently removed. 9 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: If people genuinely think I'm an extremist for veering leftwards from the centre on discussion forum, then by definition you and various other posters would also be deemed extremist for veering in other direction from the centre. None of us have views anywhere near the extremes in my opinion. I personally don't think you are an extremist but would argue that you don't have be an extremist yourself to spot one. 9 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: The term should be reserved for people who are engaging in terrorism, inciting violence and spreading hatred Again, I disagree that extremists have to be terrorists. Corbyn and Co were pretty far left but they only hung out with terrorists, they weren't actually terrorists themselves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: The term should be reserved for people who are engaging in terrorism, inciting violence and spreading hatred This may be a valid point but why let that get in the way of some hyperbolic demonisation? Anyway, speak for yourself. Come the day of the revolution, @i-Ram will be the first against a wall as long as Comrade Corbyn hasn't blown the entire budget on free wi-fi for the proles, leaving not even a few squid for a handful of bullets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: This may be a valid point but why let that get in the way of some hyperbolic demonisation? Anyway, speak for yourself. Come the day of the revolution, @i-Ram will be the first against a wall as long as Comrade Corbyn hasn't blown the entire budget on free wi-fi for the proles, leaving not even a few squid for a handful of bullets ? Ha. If your aim with a gun is similar to your posting approach on this forum you guys would need a lot more than a handful of bullets to hit the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Ha. If your aim with a gun is similar to your posting approach on this forum you guys would need a lot more than a handful of bullets to hit the target. Hahaha. Touche old bean ? *sharpens ice-pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TramRam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I know you've got your tongue in cheek, but it's not really a joking matter to start claiming people are extremist for having views that are not centrist If people genuinely think I'm an extremist for veering leftwards from the centre on discussion forum, then by definition you and various other posters would also be deemed extremist for veering in other direction from the centre. None of us have views anywhere near the extremes in my opinion. The term should be reserved for people who are engaging in terrorism, inciting violence and spreading hatred You come across as intelligent and eloquent with your postings with a hint of sarcasm and humour in the time i've been posting on this board, In the circle I socialise you'd be termed a "Snowflake" but I would not be foolish enough with not knowing you to call you with this term. I've been called a "Nazi/Gammon" by some when discussing Brexit by those who'd be known as "Snowflakes", Educated and intelligent/knowledgeable people who fall into name calling have lost credability as they believe name calling wins the argument. There's not an extremist even close on here to be called that, And i've known some nutters that are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I know you've got your tongue in cheek, but it's not really a joking matter to start claiming people are extremist for having views that are not centrist If people genuinely think I'm an extremist for veering leftwards from the centre on discussion forum, then by definition you and various other posters would also be deemed extremist for veering in other direction from the centre. None of us have views anywhere near the extremes in my opinion. The term should be reserved for people who are engaging in terrorism, inciting violence and spreading hatred To extreme centrists, i suppose everyone who isn't is an extremist of one sort or another, heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 A few pots and kettles around today. Isn't Lakeland shut at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: *sharpens ice-pick Hey, leave Trotsky out of this, the one who must not be named or inferred oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 58 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I know you've got your tongue in cheek, but it's not really a joking matter to start claiming people are extremist for having views that are not centrist I think in many ways it shows what the likes of Blair and his supporters did to the Labour party, that anyone with traditional Labour-left views is now considered an extremist. It's similar to the USA, where 30 years ago most people in the UK would have said there's little to differentiate between Republican and Democrat. Now there's a vast divide because the Republicans have moved to the right, and accuse the Democrats of being socialists. Maybe "Sir" Keir can purge the Labour party of its extremist views such as taxing the top earners, support for workers' rights and investment in public services and infrastructure. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Maybe "Sir" Keir can purge the Labour party of its extremist views such as taxing the top earners, support for workers' rights and investment in public services and infrastructure. *shudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I think in many ways it shows what the likes of Blair and his supporters did to the Labour party, that anyone with traditional Labour-left views is now considered an extremist. It's similar to the USA, where 30 years ago most people in the UK would have said there's little to differentiate between Republican and Democrat. Now there's a vast divide because the Republicans have moved to the right, and accuse the Democrats of being socialists. Its a couple of years old now, but personally I still think the data rings true. Others might disagree... http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf In short, the Republicans are more or less as conservative as they have ever been, its the Democrats that have shifted. I'd argue the similar applies to the UK as well. If you think that there is a 'vast divide because the Republicans have moved to the right, and accuse the Democrats of being socialists' its more likely that you have shifted further to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, maxjam said: Fortunately you've never called me personally a nazi or a facist on this forum - at least not in any post that wasn't subsequently removed. I personally don't think you are an extremist but would argue that you don't have be an extremist yourself to spot one. Again, I disagree that extremists have to be terrorists. Corbyn and Co were pretty far left but they only hung out with terrorists, they weren't actually terrorists themselves ? Does this mean the Queens an extremist, due to her hanging out with terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, maxjam said: Its a couple of years old now, but personally I still think the data rings true. Others might disagree... http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf In short, the Republicans are more or less as conservative as they have ever been, its the Democrats that have shifted. I'd argue the similar applies to the UK as well. If you think that there is a 'vast divide because the Republicans have moved to the right, and accuse the Democrats of being socialists' its more likely that you have shifted further to the left. I'm very much on the outside looking in and it's not something that interests me greatly, US politics. Very much my personal opinion, have nothing to found it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, maxjam said: Again, I disagree that extremists have to be terrorists. Corbyn and Co were pretty far left but they only hung out with terrorists, they weren't actually terrorists themselves ? 23 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Does this mean the Queens an extremist, due to her hanging out with terrorists. Okay, for the sake of clarity I meant the first sentence, the second sentence was said flippantly hence the emoji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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