angieram Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, U.M. said: ....and the rare sighting of an aborted substitution. Think the guy coming on was missed off the team sheet. That's a new one for me. Yes, really strange that he wasn't listed. I can't believe how many substitutions they were allowed - 5 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.M. Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, angieram said: Yes, really strange that he wasn't listed. I can't believe how many substitutions they were allowed - 5 I think. How annoying to travel all that way and miss out for admin reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, U.M. said: How annoying to travel all that way and miss out for admin reasons. I reckon he popped back to the changing rooms and swapped kit with the number 22! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Sibley needs to be in the first team. He's got the highest ceiling of anyone at this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Ambitious said: Sibley needs to be in the first team. He's got the highest ceiling of anyone at this club. He's competing for a place with Shinnie, right? You wouldnt put Shinnie and Sibley in the same lineup would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, therealhantsram said: He's competing for a place with Shinnie, right? You wouldnt put Shinnie and Sibley in the same lineup would you? Plays further forward than Shinnie so in theory, yes. That brilliant second half on Friday evening against Everton under 23s was Bird holding, with Knight and Sibley ahead. They looked a real unit - great understanding between the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, therealhantsram said: He's competing for a place with Shinnie, right? You wouldnt put Shinnie and Sibley in the same lineup would you? Just because they can both tackle doesn’t mean they’re the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, angieram said: That brilliant second half on Friday evening against Everton under 23s was Bird holding, with Knight and Sibley ahead. They looked a real unit - great understanding between the three. Said to my mate that in a couple of years that would be the first team midfield. I think I might be off with the time though, more likely a couple of months, maybe even a couple of games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Ambitious said: Sibley needs to be in the first team. He's got the highest ceiling of anyone at this club. Probably needs help to change a light bulb though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, angieram said: Plays further forward than Shinnie so in theory, yes. That brilliant second half on Friday evening against Everton under 23s was Bird holding, with Knight and Sibley ahead. They looked a real unit - great understanding between the three. 53 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Just because they can both tackle doesn’t mean they’re the same player. So the way I have seen the U23s most oftern... Bird is a CDM, so competing with Beilik & Huddlestone Sibley is a box to box midfielder so competing with Shinnie Knight is the playmaker, so competing with Dowell / Holmes / Paterson (and Rooney when he arrives). In terms of getting a midfield balance, I don't see him replacing Bielik. As you say, he's not a CDM, he plays further forward. I also don't know if he's really creative enough to play to no.10 role and replace Paterson or Holmes. So I honestly do think its Shinnie he's competing with. Unless you can persuade me otherwise? How would you line up a midfield 3 that included Shinnie and Sibley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, angieram said: Plays further forward than Shinnie so in theory, yes. That brilliant second half on Friday evening against Everton under 23s was Bird holding, with Knight and Sibley ahead. They looked a real unit - great understanding between the three. Thing is people will and have jumped on the “throw the kids in” bandwagon.... Didn’t those three play against a second string forest side in the league cup ? theres a big step up from accademy football to the real deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: So the way I have seen the U23s most oftern... Bird is a CDM, so competing with Beilik & Huddlestone Sibley is a box to box midfielder so competing with Shinnie Knight is the playmaker, so competing with Dowell / Holmes / Paterson (and Rooney when he arrives). In terms of getting a midfield balance, I don't see him replacing Bielik. As you say, he's not a CDM, he plays further forward. I also don't know if he's really creative enough to play to no.10 role and replace Paterson or Holmes. So I honestly do think its Shinnie he's competing with. Unless you can persuade me otherwise? How would you line up a midfield 3 that included Shinnie and Sibley? I'll hold my hands up and say that I haven't seen every U23 game. However, the bits I have seen suggests that Sibley likes to drive forward with the ball, pushing the defence back before passing or hitting a shot. I don't necessarily think that's Shinnie's game, and I can certainly imagine him sitting in (as I believe he did for Aberdeen) whilst Sibley pushes forward. So it could perhaps be a triangle of Bielik at the base, with Shinnie and Sibley (as the creator) the two ahead of him. Or even Shinnie at the base (though I can't see Cocu sacrificing a playmaker at the base of midfield) with Sibley (as the runner, rather than the main creative force) and Holmes/Dowell/Rooney ahead him him. Those are both 4-3-3 midfield lineups, however, and I think you'd be right in saying that they're too similar if we were to play 4-2-3-1. For that formation, I reckon you'd have to pick a passer (Bielik/Huddlestone) alongside Sibley/Shinnie, with Paterson/Rooney/Dowell/Holmes in the hole (the first and last of whom could also play in one of the wide spots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Watching the highlights, the sheer excitement on the face of the Minsk players when they made it 5-1; and then again when they made it 5-2, perhaps says something about the perceived levels. Perhaps an underserved perception for them to hold; they didn't look worse than many of last season's English U18 opponents; we dealt a few absolute hammerings in the league. Maybe the perception comes from an understanding of knowing how talented our team in particular is, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: Thing is people will and have jumped on the “throw the kids in” bandwagon.... Didn’t those three play against a second string forest side in the league cup ? theres a big step up from accademy football to the real deal Totally agree with you, Notts Ram. I wouldn't be starting that midfield now. I just think there's great potential for the future. I would like to see one or two of them a bit more involved though. Bird is gradually becoming stronger physically so I'd say he's farthest behind a start, just because of the position he plays in. Knight and Sibley - they are fine now, but introduce them gradually. And as you say, not all at once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: Thing is people will and have jumped on the “throw the kids in” bandwagon.... Didn’t those three play against a second string forest side in the league cup ? theres a big step up from accademy football to the real deal We had SIbley, Buchanan and Whittaker start the Forest game. Bird and Mitchell-Lawson came on as subs. I said in another thread that I think they are too good for the youth leagues atm, but I don't think most of them are quite ready for first team Championship football yet. I do however think they would greatly benefit from being loaned out to a lower league or Scottish team similar to Max Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: Thing is people will and have jumped on the “throw the kids in” bandwagon.... Didn’t those three play against a second string forest side in the league cup ? theres a big step up from accademy football to the real deal Thing is though, we made so many changes against Forest that it's hard to gage how well they did. Playing so many academy players/ second string players in one game doesn't exactly ease them into it, particularly away at your local rivals. I'd like to see them introduced slowly into a proper spine of a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Andicis said: Thing is though, we made so many changes against Forest that it's hard to gage how well they did. Playing so many academy players/ second string players in one game doesn't exactly ease them into it, particularly away at your local rivals. I'd like to see them introduced slowly into a proper spine of a team. Forest changed virtually their entire team as well though. I don't disagree that we should be easing them in slowly though. We seem to have given up entirely on youth players in the starting 11 after initially giving Knight a few games. I know Bogle and Lowe are technically products of the youth teams, but I'd still like to see some of the others getting a few minutes especially with some of the poor performances of the senior players of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, GenBr said: Forest changed virtually their entire team as well though. I don't disagree that we should be easing them in slowly though. We seem to have given up entirely on youth players in the starting 11 after initially giving Knight a few games. I know Bogle and Lowe are technically products of the youth teams, but I'd still like to see some of the others getting a few minutes especially with some of the poor performances of the senior players of late. 5 of their team started Sunday, a further one would have but is injured, and another has been starting but was on the bench. They rotated, but didn't throw poo at a dart board like we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, GenBr said: Forest changed virtually their entire team as well though. I don't disagree that we should be easing them in slowly though. We seem to have given up entirely on youth players in the starting 11 after initially giving Knight a few games. I know Bogle and Lowe are technically products of the youth teams, but I'd still like to see some of the others getting a few minutes especially with some of the poor performances of the senior players of late. I'm not arguing about the result, but I'm arguing how much it's possible to draw from the performance with such wholesale changes, we didn't have a control variable, in a way. I'd like to see Knight and Sibley slowly put into the first team but in what is clearly a proper side, so we can see how they would look with first team players around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Srg said: 5 of their team started Sunday, a further one would have but is injured, and another has been starting but was on the bench. They rotated, but didn't throw poo at a dart board like we did. Until they played us Forest had kept virtually the same team for every game (unlike us) and the only three players they didn't change were Worrall, Lolley and Samba - one of whom is the goalkeeper. The entire rest of the team changed. We had a young team, but so did they - our average age was only slightly lower than theirs. They only changed one less outfield player than us. 24 minutes ago, Andicis said: I'm not arguing about the result, but I'm arguing how much it's possible to draw from the performance with such wholesale changes, we didn't have a control variable, in a way. I'd like to see Knight and Sibley slowly put into the first team but in what is clearly a proper side, so we can see how they would look with first team players around them. This is basically exactly what I said in my comment. We used to use Knight in the first team, but his appearances have almost stopped completely now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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