Coneheadjohn Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Can we have him involved in the first team squad please? The lad has got it all,breaks up play,great distribution and a good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Was surprised he didn't go to Teneriffe. He looked very assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Significantly better, on todays showing, than Butterfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, coneheadjohn said: The lad has got it all,breaks up play,great distribution and a good shot. Eh? His shot was miles off target? think you're all getting a bit over aroused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, RamNut said: Eh? His shot was miles off target? think you're all getting a bit over aroused. Today,yes.Generally his shot is very good though. Our best midfielder today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, coneheadjohn said: Can we have him involved in the first team squad please? The lad has got it all,breaks up play,great distribution and a good shot. Had a great game today, only Huddlestone will block his route into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, philmycock said: Had a great game today, only Huddlestone will block his route into the team. And that would be sensible,but let's have him involved please even if it's on the bench, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, coneheadjohn said: Today,yes.Generally his shot is very good though. Our best midfielder today. None of the half-backs (?) shone particularly (do we still have them?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 minute ago, RamNut said: None of the half-backs (?) shone particularly (do we still have them?) Today,definitely no half backs mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 What I want to know, is why after impressive performances in the cup. Elsnik disappeared from the first team and even the u23's for a while. Given a run of games he'd outshine the current crop of aging midfielders. I look forward to seeing what comes of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Waffle said: What I want to know, is why after impressive performances in the cup. Elsnik disappeared from the first team and even the u23's for a while. Given a run of games he'd outshine the current crop of aging midfielders. I look forward to seeing what comes of him. He's never disappeared from the U23s He's missed one Premier League 2 game in two seasons, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: He's never disappeared from the U23s He's missed one Premier League 2 game in two seasons, iirc. I could've sworn it was longer than that. it frustrates me that as a club lauded for their academy. We seem to block access to the first team for younger players. I genuinely hope Rowett breaks this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Waffle said: I could've sworn it was longer than that. it frustrates me that as a club lauded for their academy. We seem to block access to the first team for younger players. I genuinely hope Rowett breaks this. Firstly, the size of our squad has been a huge barrier and thinning it out it should help no end. The most common route for a youth player to get time in the first team is covering for injury, then making such an impression he isn't sent back, and the bigger the first team squad the less likely that opportunity will arise. Also, it becomes more difficult the more competitive the youth environment is. Sort of a catch 22. People often complain that good Premier League teams dont give youth enough of a chance but its mainly because winning in the U23 competition is more important to clubs than many fans realise. For a youth player to play in the first team, in a non-injury related situation, he has to train with the first team. If he's training with the first team with a view to playing in the first team he isn't training with/playing with the U23s. No doubt such a player is one of the better players in the U23s, so the U23s are weakened. Obviously this doesn't matter if he ends up a first team regular, but if he trains with the first team for a week or two and then the manager decides that having seen him in that environment, he isn't ready; he goes back to the U23s and the only thing that's happened is the U23s have been weakened for that amount of time. It's kind of important to us we stay as competitive as possible in Premier League 2, for many reasons, so players only train with the first team during the season when a manager is absolutely sure. Which is a difficult stance to reach. Having said that, I think Rowett will make more of an effort to get youth involved than our recent managers, especially with Bennett specifically putting such a good showing on at pre-season so far. I don't think anyone can argue he's #1 on our current winger list based on what we've seen. It will also be easier to get U23s involved in the first team if we strengthen the U23 squad. Which we haven't really done since we got promoted. Hopefully we strengthen it a bit this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 He did well considering he played a full game for the under 23 side the night before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 He's seems calm with class. Every time at every level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Is this our new Will Hughes? Could we develop into maybe another 4million player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 4 hours ago, SaintRam said: He's never disappeared from the U23s He's missed one Premier League 2 game in two seasons, iirc. Didn't he miss the last couple of games with an injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 He looked every bit a first team player against Carlisle in the cup. He has touch and composure. It sounds as if he did well yesterday and on that basis and with a need for a creator I trust he will be promoted the the first team squad without delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 10 hours ago, SaintRam said: Firstly, the size of our squad has been a huge barrier and thinning it out it should help no end. The most common route for a youth player to get time in the first team is covering for injury, then making such an impression he isn't sent back, and the bigger the first team squad the less likely that opportunity will arise. Also, it becomes more difficult the more competitive the youth environment is. Sort of a catch 22. People often complain that good Premier League teams dont give youth enough of a chance but its mainly because winning in the U23 competition is more important to clubs than many fans realise. For a youth player to play in the first team, in a non-injury related situation, he has to train with the first team. If he's training with the first team with a view to playing in the first team he isn't training with/playing with the U23s. No doubt such a player is one of the better players in the U23s, so the U23s are weakened. Obviously this doesn't matter if he ends up a first team regular, but if he trains with the first team for a week or two and then the manager decides that having seen him in that environment, he isn't ready; he goes back to the U23s and the only thing that's happened is the U23s have been weakened for that amount of time. It's kind of important to us we stay as competitive as possible in Premier League 2, for many reasons, so players only train with the first team during the season when a manager is absolutely sure. Which is a difficult stance to reach. Having said that, I think Rowett will make more of an effort to get youth involved than our recent managers, especially with Bennett specifically putting such a good showing on at pre-season so far. I don't think anyone can argue he's #1 on our current winger list based on what we've seen. It will also be easier to get U23s involved in the first team if we strengthen the U23 squad. Which we haven't really done since we got promoted. Hopefully we strengthen it a bit this season. Great post SaintRam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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