Andicis Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 After some of Alex Pearce's recent performances I have been left thinking about this one. Buxton was more error prone that Pearce, he seemingly made more glaring mistakes, however Buxton was very good at passing the ball out of defense and could certainly pick a pass. So it leads me to thinking that clearly Jake Buxton was a much better fit for our defense than Pearce, who even during our good defensive performances always had a limited range of passing. Both clearly show passion, but for me Buxton always just seemed to be delighted to be at Derby. So, do you guys think that Pearce is a downgrade, and if given the option would you take Buxton back at the expense of Pearce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 He was a much better fit for our style of play and yes,he made mistakes but he was powerful in the air and moved the ball forwards not sideways which are two aspects of our play sadly absent at the moment. Yes,I'd still have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Pearce is a downgrade in Buxton, but shackell is a major upgrade. I'd have him back as backup and a charectar in the dressing room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, Millenniumram said: Pearce is a downgrade in Buxton, but shackell is a major upgrade. I'd have him back as backup and a charectar in the dressing room Shackell's passing's worse than Pearce's! It's about the fit, not the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Pearce has very quickly become the new Shackell. Teams are happy to let him have the ball knowing there is pretty much no chance of him doing anything productive with it. But look back 3 months and you will find numerous posts asking why he was not in the team earlier and nominating him for POTY. It has been a crumble of absolutely epic proportions and some of his current defending is bordering on embarrassing. And to think some posters would have had us believe that it was Pearce carrying Keogh throughout our excellent defensive spell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, cannable said: Shackell's passing's worse than Pearce's! It's about the fit, not the player. It may well be, but all he has to do is give the ball to the defensive mid and focus on defending, which he is one of the best in the division at. Never have bought the fact he doesn't fit, he makes up for his passing with brilliant anticipation and reading of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, cannable said: Shackell's passing's worse than Pearce's! It's about the fit, not the player. Very debateable. About 1 in 10 of Shackells hoofs would actually reach a Derby player. At the moment 10 out of 10 of Pearces hoofs drift out for a goal kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, Millenniumram said: It may well be, but all he has to do is give the ball to the defensive mid and focus on defending, which he is one of the best in the division at. Never have bought the fact he doesn't fit, he makes up for his passing with brilliant anticipation and reading of the game It makes our play incredibly one dimensional to do that though. As shown last season, if you do that teams just mark your holding midfielder. Even George Thorne looked worse last season as he was being man marked every game as Shackell could only play the ball to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarRam Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Wasn't everyone saying that Shackell was awful and Pearce was great a few months ago? It's amazing how someone can become a terrible footballer in a few months... Well in some people's eyes.. Apparently the best way to be a good Derby player is not to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: It may well be, but all he has to do is give the ball to the defensive mid and focus on defending, which he is one of the best in the division at. Never have bought the fact he doesn't fit, he makes up for his passing with brilliant anticipation and reading of the game He can't even do that! The only pass in his locker is a reverse ball to the DM that he gets away with once a game! We had it under Clement when teams were marking Keogh, George and pressing Warnock just so that Shackell had more of the ball. He literally has to stop it dead before he passes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Andicis said: It makes our play incredibly one dimensional to do that though. As shown last season, if you do that teams just mark your holding midfielder. Even George Thorne looked worse last season as he was being man marked every game as Shackell could only play the ball to him! That's why we need to play 4231 imo, makes your distribution a lot more varied. Either way up though it's better than Pearce at the moment, he can't defend or pass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think people have a slightly rose tinted view of Buxton based on his undoubted passion for the club. Yes he could pass well and was decent in the opposing box from corners but he's a bang average championship defender at best. If we are serious about challenging in this division we need better, much better than both Buxton and Pearce for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Remember when everybody used to say Keogh needed a good centre back partner to make him look better........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, JaguarRam said: Wasn't everyone saying that Shackell was awful and Pearce was great a few months ago? It's amazing how someone can become a terrible footballer in a few months... Well in some people's eyes.. Apparently the best way to be a good Derby player is not to play! This is so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Doodle said: I think people have a slightly rose tinted view of Buxton based on his undoubted passion for the club. Yes he could pass well and was decent in the opposing box from corners but he's a bang average championship defender at best. If we are serious about challenging in this division we need better, much better than both Buxton and Pearce for that matter Who though? Bucko's was absolutely vital to how we wanted to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, cannable said: Who though? Bucko's was absolutely vital to how we wanted to play. So was a fit, confident Bryson and a fit Thorne. It wasn't enough then and won't be enough now. It's time to move on. Forget about Buxton, give him a clap when he comes back by all means. There are numerous better centre halves in this division not to mention prem reserve players or even the fabled German centre half. Anyone who thinks bringing Buxton back will improve us is deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 100 times a down grade. Buxton wasn't just passion and desire. He could play at both ends of the park. We actually scored from corners when he was about. Plus his left peg was a beaut. If he'd have come from the PL and worn bright boots, he would have got the plaudits he deserved. But he was always labeled as non league, and his old school approach made people see him as a relic. I would never have let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Remember when everybody used to say Keogh needed a good centre back partner to make him look better........ He did, it was Shackell. Put together those two were an excellent partnership, they covered each other's weaknesses well and led to us having our best defensive season in decades. Why it was broken up I don't know, but it needs to be put back together next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Pearce is a liability and his passing is woeful. bye bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Doodle said: So was a fit, confident Bryson and a fit Thorne. It wasn't enough then and won't be enough now. It's time to move on. Forget about Buxton, give him a clap when he comes back by all means. There are numerous better centre halves in this division not to mention prem reserve players or even the fabled German centre half. Anyone who thinks bringing Buxton back will improve us is deluded. It's about the fit, not the player as an individual. To truly improve on Bucko we should have signed a player of the same mould who was quick or better defensively it something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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