Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 After current games we have played it's clear to see just how much better Shackell is in the air than Pearce. However, we all know the struggles we have with Shackell's passing from the back is poor. Tonight, from what I saw at the game I would say that Pearce should be doing better for the first goal (on initial viewpoint, not seen a replay yet, perhaps will be incorrect) and obviously the penalty which I thought was woeful defending from Pearce. He stopped playing the game and was more interested in appealing to the ref, which is an almost unforgivable error in my book. However, we have all seen how laborious our build up play can be from the back as Shackell only plays two types of ball - the diagonal from LCB to RW or the sideways/backwards to Carson/Keogh. So the question is, who would you have playing alongside Keogh, and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickram Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 How's about Shackell and Pearce ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, mickram said: How's about Shackell and Pearce ? beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Shackell has to start on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, mickram said: How's about Shackell and Pearce ? For me, most of the danger has been coming from the LCB position, and I think personally Keogh is one of the few undroppable players in our squad with current form considered. His passing and bringing the ball out of defence is a plus point to Derby's game and stops the backward passing from midfield. So imo, I'd play Keogh regardless then pick one of the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Shackell is a better defender than Pearce in my mind, always has been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 "Rank poor defending" - McClaren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: "Rank poor defending" - McClaren He isn't wrong at all. The defending before the penalty was given away from laughable from Pearce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 3 at the back. Keogh Shackell Pearce. Shackell as more a sweeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Shackell is the best defensive cb we have. RECALL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catram Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Doesnt matter when our midfield is **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: 3 at the back. Keogh Shackell Pearce. Shackell as more a sweeper. Not convinced Shackell has the pace to play sweeper? Doesn't the sweeper have to have the pace to get across and cover the other two? I'd prefer Keogh in that position imo. Would you play Christie and Olsson as the wing backs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I think "or Keogh" could be added to this title. Shackell for me needs to play next game at least, imo Pearce had a run of form which inflated how we rated him, he's now playing worse than that. Keogh is "consistently inconsistent", always in the team but never solid for a long period of time. Not a bad Championship CB but not quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 It's a bit too simplistic to say it's Keogh and Pearce, to me there are questions about what is in front of them. Why is the ball not sticking upfront? Where are the midfielders/holding midfielders to stop deep runs into the box? Why are the midfielders constantly in 'no mans land' when Pearce and Keogh do win headers? Why is there no anticipation? etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 How about we get Rawson back and see what he can do, I'm sure he can't do much worse than our current crop of central defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Well I said before we played tonight I would have had shackell back in especially against Cardiff and Christie but there we go. midfield is our main weakness to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Andicis said: Not convinced Shackell has the pace to play sweeper? Doesn't the sweeper have to have the pace to get across and cover the other two? I'd prefer Keogh in that position imo. Would you play Christie and Olsson as the wing backs? I could be wrong but I don't remember Stimac having much pace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: It's a bit too simplistic to say it's Keogh and Pearce, to me there are questions about what is in front of them. Why is the ball not sticking upfront? Where are the midfielders/holding midfielders to stop deep runs into the box? Why are the midfielders constantly in 'no mans land' when Pearce and Keogh do win headers? Why is there no anticipation? etc etc etc Do agree with you. However on tonight's performances some of the errors leading to goals I wouldn't place on the midfield, but mainly on the defenders. Such as the long throw, and the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I could be wrong but I don't remember Stimac having much pace? Before my time, but did he play the sweeper role, or in a 4-4-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Pearce and Shack for me you will lose out offensively but we need to shut up shop 7 goals in 2 games is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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