Sexydadbod Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 It gets our creative players like Hughes and Butterfield on the ball more and we look much better offensively. 4-3-3 works well when we have Thorne,Martin and a creative runner from midfield which we currently haven't got. Yes we went on a great run with this formation but that wasn't down to the formation itself, it was down to individuals getting us out of trouble like Ince . In the summer we can rectify this but the time being I feel 4-2-3-1 is the way to go. Midfield and forward line of this: De Sart Hughes/Butterfield Camara Ince Anya Bent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 First half was a goalkeeper and 10 players formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I do like the 4-2-3-1 formation but with those players we'd have a couple of problems. 1. We restrict the ability of Hughes. With two holding midfielders, that's what they need to be. Hughes in a holding midfield role is wasted. 2. We leave de Sart incredibly isolated. If Hughes goes forward, which he's good at, and the ball is lost then de Sart is on his own. I think teams would set up to counter attack and that would work against that team. If we had Thorne back, I'd say that formation would work. I'd go with a bit more balance of Thorne and Johnson sitting to give us the ball player and and the ball winning midfielder. I'd then play Hughes further in front 'in the hole' if you like. He'd have more freedom, more space to do some damage. Ince plus another either side and Bent up top, or Martin next season. I think in terms of balance, that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hughes looked a lot better in the 4-2-3-1 imo. The game just drifted by him when we played 4-3-3 in the first half. Bent also looked a lot less isolated as Ince got close to him. I can't really see Hughes as a number 10 because he doesn't score enough or get enough assists so keep him deep where he can control the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, McLovin said: It gets our creative players like Hughes and Butterfield on the ball more and we look much better offensively. 4-3-3 works well when we have Thorne,Martin and a creative runner from midfield which we currently haven't got. Yes we went on a great run with this formation but that wasn't down to the formation itself, it was down to individuals getting us out of trouble like Ince . In the summer we can rectify this but the time being I feel 4-2-3-1 is the way to go. Midfield and forward line of this: De Sart Hughes/Butterfield Camara Ince Anya Bent I like that formation but i'd go De Sart Johnson Ince Hughes Anya Bent/Nugent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 More inclined to go 442 with our current options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I said this weeks ago but got slated because managers tried changing the formation and its not worked and its not 'the derby way' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Really think that whatever way we go about it we need to play two up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 You could write any fancy formation you like on the chalkboard, if the players don't turn up at 3pm you won't win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, David said: You could write any fancy formation you like on the chalkboard, if the players don't turn up at 3pm you won't win games. Maybe but the formation change clearly helped as we got a hold of the middle of the park after going 3-0 down. We looked like conceding every time today when we started with 4-3-3 as they just ran straight passed the midfield 3. We went 4-2-3-1 against Newcastle last week too and looked a lot more comfortable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW37 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Carson Baird Keogh Pearce Olsson De Sart Johnson Ince Hughes Anya Bent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The Keystone Cops Attack-Attack-Attack formation. Total football while holding your breath. Lets try and win every game 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, McLovin said: Maybe but the formation change clearly helped as we got a hold of the middle of the park after going 3-0 down. We looked like conceding every time today when we started with 4-3-3 as they just ran straight passed the midfield 3. We went 4-2-3-1 against Newcastle last week too and looked a lot more comfortable I didn't go today so I can't really say much other than it didn't sound like a formation issue on the radio. Obviously I'm open to admit I'm totally wrong. Formations don't suddenly stop working, players stop doing their jobs that's the problem. In some situations a change of formation late on in a game can turn it around for you, bringing more attackers on, midfielders, doesn't mean it's suddenly the fix all problems go to Plan A. I reckon the half time bollocking may have woke a few up today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, David said: I reckon the half time bollocking may have woke a few up today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 4231! why the f.... would you want 2 holding midfielders v bristol city at home. It was bad enough with one playing right on the toes of the centre halfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 can i just say after today, and against leicester jacob butterfield looks twice the player playing in a 2 man midfield than one of the further forward 2 in a 3. hes the sort of player that wants to get on the ball deep, take it from the centre halves or full backs and recycle, start things going, hes no good with his back to goal with a defender up his arse, the same goes with tryig to get box to box or threading delicately weighted balls through to an onrushing forward. but in terms of getting us on the ball, as today highlighted i thought he made a real impact, hes still got a lot to prove to me but the difference between him, bradley and bryson today were like night day. only problem is he doesnt have the physical stature to give the protection that bradley nornally gives us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 4-2-3-1 doesn't need specialists like 4-3-3 does. It's fairly interchangeable. E.g you could put Nugent or Vydra in for Camara and then put Ince out on the right. Bent looked so isolated today in 4-3-3 but once players like Ince got close to him he started to get involved. You don't even need a pure defensive mid in there too. Newcastle play 4-2-3-1 and play shelvey(a conductor) and Hayden(box to box player) as the sitting 2. I think Hughes and De Sart would work pretty in well in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, RamNut said: 4231! why the f.... would you want 2 holding midfielders v bristol city at home. It was bad enough with one playing right on the toes of the centre halfs. Depends who you play their. Personally would like it to be De Sart and Butterfield with Hughes further forward. I don't see that set up as defensive, but gives better balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, David said: I didn't go today so I can't really say much other than it didn't sound like a formation issue on the radio. Obviously I'm open to admit I'm totally wrong. Formations don't suddenly stop working, players stop doing their jobs that's the problem. In some situations a change of formation late on in a game can turn it around for you, bringing more attackers on, midfielders, doesn't mean it's suddenly the fix all problems go to Plan A. I reckon the half time bollocking may have woke a few up today. Well I was there, I'm here to tell the radio listerners this: i didn't have a clue what the formation was, but we scored 3 goals second half. oh, and, the ref never gave us the full 4 mins added time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, Boycie said: Well I was there, I'm here to tell the radio listerners this: i didn't have a clue what the formation was, but we scored 3 goals second half. oh, and, the ref never gave us the full 4 mins added time. You text me to pic of you in the pub at 4pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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