KBB Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: What i think we need some one who can link a attack from midfield or someone who can sit behind the strikers and who can feed balls through to them. Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 46 minutes ago, Andicis said: And Knockaert played in the better side. I.e. making it more easy to play a key pass, since they had the ball more often, and had more incisive attackers to play it forward to. Having more of the ball allowing for more dribbles. Also, being put under pressure less often, as they had more control of the game, and therefore less poor control. Let's not pretend that your cherry picked stats make it out to paint a better image that the ones provided before, yours are just as inaccurate of a representation in skill of player, as opposed to skill of team. I understand that, I was just pointing out that the pedantic assertion that "statistically Ince is a more creative player than Knockaert because he had more goals and assists" is unfounded. Also Brighton and Derby had exactly the same possession percentage last year (51%), so BHA definitely didn't have more of the ball. And at 13.4 Shots pg for Brighton and 12.8 Shots pg for Derby, I wouldn't say they necessarily "had more control of the game" by a large amount, they were just more clinical. You can easily find statistics showing Knockaert to be a more creative player. At least the stats I've cherry picked have more of an individual element to them than assists, which are basically a team stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 58 minutes ago, Posh Ram said: Yes and "Goal + Assist ratio to minutes played" is the only way to determine the Championship's "most creative player". Knockaert had 2.1 Key Passes a game, Ince only had 1.6 Knockaert had 2.6 dribbles a game, Ince had 1.1 Knockaert only controlled the ball poorly 1.8 times a game, Ince 2.3 Knockaert was voted Championship Player of the Year; Ince couldn't even win DCFC Player of the Year. Right, they are all very good stats... However... the main ones of Goals & Assists are what counts on the score boards. Ince last year was the better player than Knockaert. No idea how he won player of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Posh Ram said: I understand that, I was just pointing out that the pedantic assertion that "statistically Ince is a more creative player than Knockaert because he had more goals and assists" is unfounded. Also Brighton and Derby had exactly the same possession percentage last year (51%), so BHA definitely didn't have more of the ball. And at 13.4 Shots pg for Brighton and 12.8 Shots pg for Derby, I wouldn't say they necessarily "had more control of the game" by a large amount, they were just more clinical. You can easily find statistics showing Knockaert to be a more creative player. At least the stats I've cherry picked have more of an individual element to them than assists, which are basically a team stat. I guess the point I was trying to make was I don't think you can easily judge individual performances from statistics, after all football is a team game. I think Ince and Knockaert are quite similar in ability, there are arguments for either side, both can be refuted, but I think overall it's more of a reflection of team, rather than player individually in a majority of cases, with an argument that could be made that Ince's stats were hit by Nigel Pearson's era etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadFly Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 5/28/2017 at 10:41, RamNut said: carson and mitchell Jason McCarthy 21 and christie forsyth, olsson and lowe keogh and Liam Lindsay 21 Pearce and Baird thorne, butterfield (last chance) and hanson grant ward 22 and Ben brereton 18 (big fee) hughes and ryan ledson 19 Callum robinson 22 and bennett martin and nugent Ince and russell (last chance) I know brereton is a striker for forest but i think he could be an outstanding attacking midfielder watching......josh morris, tom lockyer, lopes (peterboro), konsa (charlton), ryan kent If you think Forest would sell Brereton to us, you must be on crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman 2 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Brereton isnt very good anyway IMO, BUT, now that they have the new owner they may be more willing to sell to us than Fawaz was. He only didnt sell Lansbury and Antonio to us so that he could win some points with their fans. Maybe Demis Roussos might see it more as a business transaction rather than a toy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Brereton is cheat(tried to get a penalty by jump on Baird to make out that it was a 'foul') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Andicis said: I guess the point I was trying to make was I don't think you can easily judge individual performances from statistics, after all football is a team game. I think Ince and Knockaert are quite similar in ability, there are arguments for either side, both can be refuted, but I think overall it's more of a reflection of team, rather than player individually in a majority of cases, with an argument that could be made that Ince's stats were hit by Nigel Pearson's era etc. I agree with you, my opinion is that Knockaert is the better player but I agree to base that purely on statistics would be completely pointless. 1 hour ago, RamsPolls said: Right, they are all very good stats... However... the main ones of Goals & Assists are what counts on the score boards. Ince last year was the better player than Knockaert. No idea how he won player of the season. Nah I disagree, while Goals and Assists count on the scoreboard they're a poor measure of individual attributes like "creativity". Something like key passes is a better stat for measuring that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 “Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 For those who suggested Dean Whitehead well Huddersfield Town offered him new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: For those who suggested Dean Whitehead well Huddersfield Town offered him new deal. Thank heaven for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Anyone else smell Red Dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 19 hours ago, RamsPolls said: Statistically that statement isn't correct. Ince has a better Goal + Assist ratio to minutes played compared to Knockaert... In the big games though, Knockaert delivers whereas (bar Forest games this season) Ince goes missing. Would have Knockaert over Ince all day long. That's not to say Ince didn't have a good season. He was our best outfield player but would happily sacrifice him if it allows Rowett to build a more effective team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Joe Ledley anyone? Would provide decent cover for the CDM position. Proven quality in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, RamsPolls said: Joe Ledley anyone? Would provide decent cover for the CDM position. Proven quality in the premier league. Supposedly to be going back to Cardiff City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Supposedly to be going back to Cardiff City. Yeah i saw that. I'd like him here tbh. On a free would be great business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 fraizer campbell on a free? I know we have alot of strikers but maybe he could be our gayle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Derbylad92 said: fraizer campbell on a free? I know we have alot of strikers but maybe he could be our gayle? I take it you read HITC then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 What the hell is hitc? i just been looking though frees from prem clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 34 minutes ago, Derbylad92 said: What the hell is hitc? i just been looking though frees from prem clubs It's an illness buddy. You have delusional feelings that you are a football journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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