Day Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kernow said: It is a fair point though, because it does seem like a bargain. £500k for Curtis Davies is a bargain. £2mil for Huddlestone is a bargain. Hughes was a bargain for Watford. All only had one team reported to be in for them. I can't really think of a reason for it, there must be some sort of agreement early on in these deals before they become common knowledge. Sometimes those agreements are broken when players change their mind, but if you're true to your word then there's no point in teams bidding for a player they won't get. Could be the next Deli Alli, no idea, just always puzzles me when I see so many fans calling for a player that will have had so little TV time, let's be honest most of our opinions are gained from highlight shows or YouTube videos, literally impossible to watch that much football to have great knowledge on players across all leagues. When you drop as low as Exeter though the TV time is severely limited so I find it hard to understand how so many can rate this kid so highly to say Derby have missed a trick here when 22 other clubs also didn't move. Maybe the likes of Burton wouldn't be able to afford that but you're talking 20 odd clubs that don't have a place in their team for a goalscoring future star? I will be watching out for him more closely next season, see how he gets on, won't be eating any humble pie though as I've never knocked the lad, just questioned the validity of opinions on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 17/07/2017 at 22:41, Will Hughes Hair said: Don't worry, we'll be in for him at 8mil next summer #itk 15m when he's turned 30 more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 17/07/2017 at 22:58, Mckram said: I hope so. Forest lot seem to think now they have a bit of money that Jota is their man ? They sure they're going to get the cash and its not going to be dividended up to the new owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I was told by my work mates, who had connections With Ollie Watkins that he was 100% leaving Exeter this summer and going to a championship club. I wonder, if Ollie had told them this, surely his agent must have been dealing with a few championship sides who had shown interest in him. We will never know if, come the 11th hour besides Brentford were we in the running as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 21:08, plymouthram said: A workmate of mine, who is a regular at Exeter city matches(being an avid fan of the Grecians) told me last week that word is its a done deal and Ollie Watkins is joining the Rams in the summer for £2.25M. He states that a couple of home games ago the fans were talking about it on the terraces. So if its true it could be a good deal for both clubs. On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 19:24, plymouthram said: Just been told today by one of my work mates. His step-son is in the Exeter City squad (do not want to give his name) But like Ollie Watkins he lives in the Torbay area and was taking Ollie home from Exeter (they share lifts) when Ollie's phone went. It was Steve Mac informing him that he had spoken to his club and put in a verbal bid in for £4M and that Tidsdale (Manager) had stated he wanted more. This is not a made up story because this work mate of mine is not one to spin a tale and was not aware of the interest by Derby until his step-son told him about the incident. As you can gather I live in Plymouth and work in the Newton Abbot area, so you can take this as a good scoop. Lol. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Anyway good luck to the lad at Brentford though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Lol. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Anyway good luck to the lad at Brentford though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Kind of depressing that Brentford are going into the season with Watkins and Jota as they creative wide guys and we are going in with Weimann and Russell. I know who I'd prefer to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, rammieib said: Kind of depressing that Brentford are going into the season with Watkins and Jota as they creative wide guys and we are going in with Weimann and Russell. I know who I'd prefer to have. Yeh - Weimann and Russell thanks Wouldn't mind Jota but Watkins is totally unproven at this level - Where Russell has been a pivotal part of two playoff teams and Weimann has played (and looked decent) on a semi-regular basis in the Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Yeh - Weimann and Russell thanks Wouldn't mind Jota but Watkins is totally unproven at this level - Where Russell has been a pivotal part of two playoff teams and Weimann has played (and looked decent) on a semi-regular basis in the Premier League Russell was pivotal? Think you need to look up the definition of Pivotal. Think you could have put many players into his position in those two teams and the outcome would be similar. Weimann did look OK in the Premiership I agree - he's looked dog awful in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, rammieib said: Russell was pivotal? Think you need to look up the definition of Pivotal. Think you could have put many players into his position in those two teams and the outcome would be similar. Weimann did look OK in the Premiership I agree - he's looked dog awful in the Championship. I do wonder sometimes if people have forgotten what watching Derby was like 6-7 years ago - Even in 12/13 we finished respectably mid-table and had the likes of Jacobs, Tyson and Ben Davies as wingers Russell has been a consistent pick by a series of managers - Was wanted by now Premier League Brighton to help their promotion push - Has scored 9 league goals in each playoff season (there were only 6 wingers who got more than that last season) - Whoscored.com rated him the 4th best winger in the league 13/14 so I think we can consider him and Wardy to be pivotal I also think maybe go back and watch Ben Davies for a bit before writing off Weimann - He was a perfectly respectable winger for us for a season or so - Solid mid-table material - And Weimann is light years ahead of him in quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, cheron85 said: I do wonder sometimes if people have forgotten what watching Derby was like 6-7 years ago - Even in 12/13 we finished respectably mid-table and had the likes of Jacobs, Tyson and Ben Davies as wingers Russell has been a consistent pick by a series of managers - Was wanted by now Premier League Brighton to help their promotion push - Has scored 9 league goals in each playoff season (there were only 6 wingers who got more than that last season) - Whoscored.com rated him the 4th best winger in the league 13/14 so I think we can consider him and Wardy to be pivotal I also think maybe go back and watch Ben Davies for a bit before writing off Weimann - He was a perfectly respectable winger for us for a season or so - Solid mid-table material - And Weimann is light years ahead of him in quality We're now looking at the performances he put in 3 to 4 years ago. I'm looking at the performances he gave us last season. One goal in 23 games and 1 assist (I'm taking the 1 assist from someone else's post) so by the same right you are comparing his form of 4 years ago, I'm comparing his form of last season. You have to admit a 1 in 21 man as a winger is not good enough surely? For me, I'd expect 15 goals/assists total from my wingers in 40 games. If we want to be top 2 (realistically top 6) I think that's a genuine return to expect. If you think Russell and Weimann will deliver than OK - but recent form including pre-season suggests not. Also - the fact we know GR is looking to strengthen these positions is evidence enough he doesn't believe what we currently have is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Jeez, every thread is a Russell bashing thread!! Any actual news on transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, rammieib said: Russell was pivotal? Think you need to look up the definition of Pivotal. Think you could have put many players into his position in those two teams and the outcome would be similar. I was looking at his 13/14 form because you asked me about it in the quote above - I said he was pivotal in our 3rd place finish - You questioned that - I went and made an argument that he was 1 minute ago, rammieib said: We're now looking at the performances he put in 3 to 4 years ago. I'm looking at the performances he gave us last season. One goal in 23 games and 1 assist (I'm taking the 1 assist from someone else's post) so by the same right you are comparing his form of 4 years ago, I'm comparing his form of last season. You have to admit a 1 in 21 man as a winger is not good enough surely? For me, I'd expect 15 goals/assists total from my wingers in 40 games. If we want to be top 2 (realistically top 6) I think that's a genuine return to expect. If you think Russell and Weimann will deliver than OK - but recent form including pre-season suggests not. Also - the fact we know GR is looking to strengthen these positions is evidence enough he doesn't believe what we currently have is good enough. As for your goals/assists target - Who cares if the team gets promoted - You might want to check how many of Huddersfields wingers hit that target - How many of Brightons and Newcastles other than Knockaert and Ritchie I've quoted the stats on another thread (Toral?) but if you compare to his contemporaries even last season he wasn't 'bad' - He just wasn't as good as he had been previously - Ask Eden Hazard about the 15-16 season - Even world class players can have a whole bad season - There is no reason whatsoever that Russell with a bit more confidence couldn't be good for us next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I am confused ? I read the title of thread but contributers seemed to be discussing something completely different. I am missing something or this a new game were playing.If it is I've lost already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Russell has had one bad season in 4. Most of our targets have had 1 good season in 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I was looking at his 13/14 form because you asked me about it in the quote above - I said he was pivotal in our 3rd place finish - You questioned that - I went and made an argument that he was As for your goals/assists target - Who cares if the team gets promoted - You might want to check how many of Huddersfields wingers hit that target - How many of Brightons and Newcastles other than Knockaert and Ritchie I've quoted the stats on another thread (Toral?) but if you compare to his contemporaries even last season he wasn't 'bad' - He just wasn't as good as he had been previously - Ask Eden Hazard about the 15-16 season - Even world class players can have a whole bad season - There is no reason whatsoever that Russell with a bit more confidence couldn't be good for us next season If the team gets promoted, you're right I don't care. If we win every game 1-0 (Our defence looks solid!) and between the front 6 they all contribute 1 in 6 games, of course I'd take that. Reality is somewhat different. We get excited about someone like Toral simply because we don't have any evidence to say whether he would be any good or not so we always take the positive side (Helps being a foreigner). He could be as awful as Weimann and there is every chance to it. By the way, Brighton had four players in double digits of goals and 16 different scorers. Huddersfield only had two players but again, 16 players contributed with goals. Derby had Ince (21 combined goals and assists), Bent 13 goals, and nobody else contributed double digits between both. Both those players have gone or become unavailable. Granted Martin will replace Bents contribution. Our wingers last season: Russell - 6 combined Anya - 4 combined Blackman - 1 combined Camara - 2 combined Weimann - nothing in a Derby shirt. (2 or 3 goals for Wolves?) So everything combined from all our other players doesn't get near to what Tom Ince gave us. Its critical for the success of this season that we have two wingers that contribute 15 goals/assists combined for all. We're mid table without it. If you genuinely think the existing players can do that then OK but I don't have any evidence to the case they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, rammieib said: By the way, Brighton had four players in double digits of goals and 16 different scorers. 3 strikers and 1 winger 4 minutes ago, rammieib said: Huddersfield only had two players but again, 16 players contributed with goals. 1 striker and 1 winger - Same as us last season Oh and we had 17 goalscorers last season - Not sure what the point of that was? We didn't get enough goals in the first stage of the season... 7 minutes ago, rammieib said: Its critical for the success of this season that we have two wingers that contribute 15 goals/assists combined for all. We're mid table without it. If you genuinely think the existing players can do that then OK but I don't have any evidence to the case they can. You're writing off Russell for having a single bad season - Even world class players like Eden Hazard can have a bad season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesy 1984 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Lol comparing Russell to hazard, completely different type of player. I wonder how many last ditch tackles or goal line clearances hazard made last season? I'm guessing no where near as many as Russell. Russell is a good solid championship winger who does a job for the team and helps out a lot defensively, providing the platform for others to score/ create goals. Give the guy a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 30 minutes ago, hughesy 1984 said: Lol comparing Russell to hazard, completely different type of player. I wonder how many last ditch tackles or goal line clearances hazard made last season? I'm guessing no where near as many as Russell. Russell is a good solid championship winger who does a job for the team and helps out a lot defensively, providing the platform for others to score/ create goals. Give the guy a break Would you like to talk to someone professional about that head wound? I was comparing a single element of their careers - Notably that both have had a poor season at some point - Hazard had one in 15/16 - Russell had one in 16/17 - No other elements of the players have been compared Russell would win in a fight with Hazard for instance - Because he is a little scottish nutter - But that has zero relevance to anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, cheron85 said: Would you like to talk to someone professional about that head wound? I was comparing a single element of their careers - Notably that both have had a poor season at some point - Hazard had one in 15/16 - Russell had one in 16/17 - No other elements of the players have been compared Russell would win in a fight with Hazard for instance - Because he is a little scottish nutter - But that has zero relevance to anything... He wouldn't win a beauty contest though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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