Carl Sagan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, TigerTedd said: Picture the scene. Last game of the season, Fulham need a win to sneak into the play offs at the expense of a resurgent derby. Fulham awarded a penalty in the last minute for the win. Up steps martin. What does he do? Most seem to have missed the point of this excellent moral conundrum. Of course we don't play Fulham in the final game, but the question comes into play in the unlikely event Derby or Fulham are both gunning for the playofffs. 43 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: Hopefully remain professional and do his best to bury it in the back of the net. The rest is up to external influences. Isn't it more professional to deliberately miss the penalty to allow the club you're contracted to to have a chance of promotion (and you with it)? You're letting your heart rule your head in a romantic view of the game that vanished long ago. I'd be appalled if Martin scored the pen than meant we missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Could get one of the other 10 players to take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'll be back in 81 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Firstly i dont think the rams will be in the play offs. Fulham may have said to martin they will give him 40k per week if they get promoted. But the way it has panned out and the charactor of their manager they would probably say clear off back to Derby to him even if they did get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, hiltonram said: Firstly i dont think the rams will be in the play offs. Fulham may have said to martin they will give him 40k per week if they get promoted. But the way it has panned out and the charactor of their manager they would probably say clear off back to Derby to him even if they did get promoted. Who knows £6 mil is a snip for someone as good as him. Hence why I said I hope they don't go up, could cause issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 8 hours ago, barnsley ram said: he doesnt have the pace of troy deeney and he isnt as good in the air im not running him down he is agreat finisher paul lambert said he is the best finisher he has seen but you ask yourself why would norwich let him go on a free. l think we should sell him if we can and invest in a good pacey striker only my opinion of course but i dont see him as the saviour of derby county Pacey striker like £8 million quid vydra? Yeah,that worked out great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 On 06/03/2017 at 13:24, toddy said: Could you edit it for most championship goals since 15/16? Care to edit it for vydra anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 29 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Care to edit it for vydra anyone?? Sorry I thought this topic was about Martin and the amount of goals he has scored. You could take it one more step and list the number of league and cup goals he has scored every season for us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, toddy said: Sorry I thought this topic was about Martin and the amount of goals he has scored. You could take it one more step and list the number of league and cup goals he has scored every season for us..... Vydra....I count 2 I'll remember to send you an email asking permission to mention other players in threads. I take it you don't want to know about vydras long term record then,I thought it was an interesting comparison on the back of another posters statement regarding Martin and his thoughts on replacing him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I will do it for you then.... Season 13/14 - 25 goals Season 14/15 - 21 goals Season 15/16 - 15 goals Season 16/17 - currently on 11 goals There is a pattern here........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, toddy said: I will do it for you then.... Season 13/14 - 25 goals Season 14/15 - 21 goals Season 15/16 - 15 goals Season 16/17 - currently on 11 goals There is a pattern here........ Don't forget the goals he scored before Derby, what are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, toddy said: I will do it for you then.... Season 13/14 - 25 goals Season 14/15 - 21 goals Season 15/16 - 15 goals Season 16/17 - currently on 11 goals There is a pattern here........ So what if he score 5 or more goals for the rest of the season? Goals per 90 minutes 13/14 - 0.5 14/15 - 0.6 15/16 - 0.3 16/17 - 0.5 I can see a player recapturing form from a bad season last year. I like twisting stats to suit an argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, toddy said: I will do it for you then.... Season 13/14 - 25 goals Season 14/15 - 21 goals Season 15/16 - 15 goals Season 16/17 - currently on 11 goals There is a pattern here........ Good research....Now humour me with your investigative skills and show me vydras stats over the same period....Is he in the ascendance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, rynny said: So what if he score 5 or more goals for the rest of the season? Goals per 90 minutes 13/14 - 0.5 14/15 - 0.6 15/16 - 0.3 16/17 - 0.5 I can see a player recapturing form from a bad season last year. I like twisting stats to suit an argument And the season before that......and the season before that....... Has not set this season alight at Fulham either and he is in a better attacking side? He was a good goal scorer for us, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, toddy said: And the season before that......and the season before that....... Has not set this season alight at Fulham either and he is in a better attacking side? He was a good goal scorer for us, he was. So what if he scores 5 or more this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, toddy said: And the season before that......and the season before that....... Has not set this season alight at Fulham either and he is in a better attacking side? He was a good goal scorer for us, he was. Is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, toddy said: And the season before that......and the season before that....... Has not set this season alight at Fulham either and he is in a better attacking side? Well I suppose he has only scored 11 goals so far. That'd make him where in our goal scoring this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Well I suppose he has only scored 11 goals so far. That'd make him where in our goal scoring this season? Just below ince who has played almost every game for us this season.....Wonder what the goals V appearances ratio is Toddy,I appreciate you are working hard trying find vydras goals for my previous question but how about working that one out too for ince,bent,vydra and martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Most seem to have missed the point of this excellent moral conundrum. Of course we don't play Fulham in the final game, but the question comes into play in the unlikely event Derby or Fulham are both gunning for the playofffs. Isn't it more professional to deliberately miss the penalty to allow the club you're contracted to to have a chance of promotion (and you with it)? You're letting your heart rule your head in a romantic view of the game that vanished long ago. I'd be appalled if Martin scored the pen than meant we missed out. I'd be appalled if he cheated and deliberately missed. I'd be delighted if he missed. Sorry, but I still have standards, as naive as you think that might be. This wasn't Derby v Fulham. This scenario was Derby playing and Fulham playing. It's very different. Anyway, my stance remains the same. Be professional, do what you're being paid to do. Let the rest take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 hours ago, mrdave85 said: Still wouldn't be eligible but fine; He'd hit the post, only he'd know if he missed on purpose, but deep down we'd all know... 'Cause Martin is a ram Why not? Please, the hypothetical refers to the last day of the season, not The play offs, so why on earth wouldn't martin be in the squad for Fulham for that game?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, VulcanRam said: I'd be appalled if he cheated and deliberately missed. I'd be delighted if he missed. Sorry, but I still have standards, as naive as you think that might be. This wasn't Derby v Fulham. This scenario was Derby playing and Fulham playing. It's very different. Anyway, my stance remains the same. Be professional, do what you're being paid to do. Let the rest take care of itself. Imagine if you will that we've somehow made it to the playoff final and are 1-0 up at Wembley in the 94th and final minute of the game, playing the dirty Leeds. Stupidly, our boys have all rushed forward and now Leeds are breaking. On the halfway line Chris Woods flicks the ball past Keogh and will have a clear run on the Derby goal. However, Keogh has the chance to block him and take him out, accepting he'll be red carded for it. I would be appalled if Keogh did not commit the foul and win us promotion. Many would call it cheating. Leeds fans would be outraged. But for me he'd be doing the right thing for his employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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