PodgeyRam Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, eddie said: Being chairman of a football club is always at least one out of An ego trip A labour of love A popularity contest A business venture but I don't think that it can ever be more than two. I think it could be all four, but then i don't think that ould end well. I'm not entirely certain how many of those apply to Mel Morris. I'm of the opinion that the bet chairmen tend to think of them as mainly business venture's with a little bit of love on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 26 minutes ago, eddie said: It was such a massive change of direction - he basically abandoned the previous direction the club was taking under McClaren and Clement at the drop of a hat. Motivation to sack a head coach after 7 or 8 adverse results and replace him like-for-like is one thing (as he did with the temporary appointment of Darren Wassall) - but I think that the reception given to Wassall after the Rotherham capitulation had an awful lot to do with causing the end-of-season about-turn. Hand on heart do you think the fans would of taken to Wassall after the playoff debacle at home to Hull when effectively the tie was lost . That put Mel Morris and Sam Rush in a difficult position and the appointment of Nigel Pearson was what a lot of fans wanted It is only 5 games in and even if we lose tomorrow apart from fan meltdown it won't be a disaster in the long term scheme of things We are where we are even if you don't agree with the change of direction which I dispute bye the way . I think Pearson has the most difficult job in the Championship as I have said before due to fan expectations not yours I might add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Not one person on this thread has asked for chairman/owner out, you are deliberately twisting things for Melodrama. I dispute that to be honest. If I was Mel Morris I'd be very dissappointed with some fans reaction . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 16 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said: No I don't want him out. He's a Derby fan, he cares obviously. Besides, who would take over from him? I think you may have missed the last sentence of my post where I said I DON'T think it was fan pressure that led to the change in direction. Sorry I missed that but I do believe fan pressure is a massive thing in football these days. Maybe you are right but Pearson was being advocated by a lot of Derby Fans. The change of direction is still subjective IMO it's more a change in the playing style I'd say. We are still going down the academy route etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 32 minutes ago, eddie said: When we had the breakfast sans sausage, Mel asked me who I wanted to see as manager of Derby County. I said "Steve McClaren". That makes 2 of us, obviously meaning at that very time. Still think he shouldn't have gone in first place. But hey ho history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Hope its not Pearson having to say why he left Derby next and I just hope the players back him . Holloway seems to suggest good players can get a Manager the sack if they want too What he said in this DET Article Ian Holloway hits out at Derby County squad - but backs them to get a draw against Newcastle There is a problem with the group of players at Derby County, according to Sky Sports pundit Ian Holloway. Holloway has been previewing the Rams' Championship showdown with Newcastle United at the iPro Stadium on Saturday (5.30pm), which is being shown live on Sky. The former Crystal Palace, Queens Park Rangers, Blackpool and Leicester City boss reckons that changes need to be made at Derby - but thinks manager Nigel Pearson is the right man for the job. "There are players at Derby that need to move on," Holloway told the Sky Sports website. "Sometimes, as a manager, you can do more good by getting rid of players than bringing some in. "They still need to learn how to win as a group - it's not how good you are as individuals. It looks as though there's a problem with that group of players. "I can't imagine Nigel Pearson putting up with that type of attitude for one minute. Good players get managers the sack if they don't galvanise and work together. "Pearson is the right man to turn that around, though. He took over when I failed at Leicester with a really poor group of people and got them pulling in the right direction." Despite those comments, Holloway is predicting that Derby will get a 2-2 draw against title favourites Newcastle. "This is obviously a tough fixture for Derby but they do have the ability to turn it on at any point," he added. "This is a game that might suit them. READ MORE: Derby midfielder an injury doubt for Newcastle clash "If Derby turn up with the right mentality, then they could get something. I think they will." Read more at http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/ian-holloway-hits-out-at-derby-county-squad-but-backs-them-to-get-a-draw-against-newcastle/story-29700381-detail/story.html#c914fZjZtoEFBC7g.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Mafiabob said: We got nullified further when he went, we dropped 15 points behind come end of season I believe? There was always going to be a transition period - Wassall got there in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 7 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: If Mel has tossed the Derby Way aside, it's because enough fans were vocal enough in mocking it. The bloke cannot win. Personally I see it as admission the players don't fit in to the ethos more than the system or management. Not really, he wasn't following his instructions at the time. He wasn't towing the line. If you do that and go against your job spec, you'll lose your job too. I'd imagine Pearson has agreed to some instructions, which may or may not be different. as I say above, maybe after 3 years of choking, there has been realisation that players do not fit into the mentality needed to succeed. That depends if you thought we choked for 3 years. 85points, top scorers and then dominating but losing 1-0 in the 90th isn't choking to me Neither is being top of the league before multiple injuries to 2 specific areas of the team. Say what you like but if any team loses 2 strikers and 3 DM's. Bloody heck, Man City lost Aguero and are worried. They've got better back up strikers than most their opponents this season Last season? Yeah, maybe. Amazes me how people ignore this stuff like it didn't factor. Jump straight to stuff like they're all bottle jobs, don't care, no passion, bang average, get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 5 hours ago, curtains said: I dispute that to be honest. If I was Mel Morris I'd be very dissappointed with some fans reaction . Dispute what you like. Nobody has called for anyone's head. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 5 hours ago, eddie said: When we had the breakfast sans sausage, Mel asked me who I wanted to see as manager of Derby County. I said "Steve McClaren". You did and that was the best answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, Alpha said: Dispute what you like. Nobody has called for anyone's head. Fact. Glad about that. I would give Pearson the time he needs as I would Mel Morris who owns the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 30 minutes ago, Alpha said: That depends if you thought we choked for 3 years. 85points, top scorers and then dominating but losing 1-0 in the 90th isn't choking to me Neither is being top of the league before multiple injuries to 2 specific areas of the team. Say what you like but if any team loses 2 strikers and 3 DM's. Bloody heck, Man City lost Aguero and are worried. They've got better back up strikers than most their opponents this season Last season? Yeah, maybe. Amazes me how people ignore this stuff like it didn't factor. Jump straight to stuff like they're all bottle jobs, don't care, no passion, bang average, get rid well, it'd be hard to argue that our players just haven't got that extra couple of % needed to see the job through. ALL teams have injuries at some point, thats why it's a team game. It seems to me that Pearson is going through a review of the team to see who is and who isn't strong enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: well, it'd be hard to argue that our players just haven't got that extra couple of % needed to see the job through. ALL teams have injuries at some point, thats why it's a team game. It seems to me that Pearson is going through a review of the team to see who is and who isn't strong enough. Hope he can review some of the fanbase as well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 20 hours ago, robglosta said: I don't subscribe to this 'if he's not good in three months; he's s--t' ethos, though. As alluded to earlier, we were 5 points off top when he was booted out! We were 5 points off top but Christ we were playing woefully and I couldn't see where the next win was coming from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelTheRam Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 As opposed to where we are now - 8 points off top, playing woefully and can't see where next win is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Mafiabob said: I would have Mac back, but 99.9% wouldn't. make that 99.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, CumbrianRam said: make that 99.8 99.7, this could be a long thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, reveldevil said: 99.7, this could be a long thread! 99.6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 46 minutes ago, TelTheRam said: As opposed to where we are now - 8 points off top, playing woefully and can't see where next win is coming from. How about Tomorrow? As we always seem like playing well against Newcastle though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, cannable said: 99.6! 99.5 And I'm not sure how accurate our percent count is. But whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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