randombc Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just came back from the match, and obviously buzzing with the win, however they come, name in the hat and all that. But, did anyone notice how Bradley Johnson didn't take a penalty. Players were constantly looking over at the touchline when they were 6 or 7 spot kicks in and Carson was penalty take number 10 instead of 11 and then it rolled back around to Ince? I'm not sure if he was injured (like Lowe was but still took one), in which case fair enough (I didn't have the radio with me)! Yet the disappointing thing for me was he was not on the touchline supporting his teammates. Unless there is some rule that suggest all injured players must be off the field of play I find this rather perculiar, and could suggest his (and some other players) downturn in form? Could he be such a bad team player that he didn't want to be there? Pure speculation of course, he may have had a dodgy curry and really needed a $hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 minute ago, randombc said: Just came back from the match, and obviously buzzing with the win, however they come, name in the hat and all that. But, did anyone notice how Bradley Johnson didn't take a penalty. Players were constantly looking over at the touchline when they were 6 or 7 spot kicks in and Carson was penalty take number 10 instead of 11 and then it rolled back around to Ince? I'm not sure if he was injured (like Lowe was but still took one), in which case fair enough (I didn't have the radio with me)! Yet the disappointing thing for me was he was not on the touchline supporting his teammates. Unless there is some rule that suggest all injured players must be off the field of play I find this rather perculiar, and could suggest his (and some other players) downturn in form? Could he be such a bad team player that he didn't want to be there? Pure speculation of course, he may have had a dodgy curry and really needed a $hit! Bang to the head mate, not just a muscle injury with a bit of ice. Probably had to have some checks done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, randombc said: Just came back from the match, and obviously buzzing with the win, however they come, name in the hat and all that. But, did anyone notice how Bradley Johnson didn't take a penalty. Players were constantly looking over at the touchline when they were 6 or 7 spot kicks in and Carson was penalty take number 10 instead of 11 and then it rolled back around to Ince? I'm not sure if he was injured (like Lowe was but still took one), in which case fair enough (I didn't have the radio with me)! Yet the disappointing thing for me was he was not on the touchline supporting his teammates. Unless there is some rule that suggest all injured players must be off the field of play I find this rather perculiar, and could suggest his (and some other players) downturn in form? Could he be such a bad team player that he didn't want to be there? Pure speculation of course, he may have had a dodgy curry and really needed a $hit! He was injured and was in the dug out receiving treatment at the start of the shoot out not sure if he went down the tunnel during it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I feel like if it was Hughes who didn't take a penalty because of an injury, the comments would be hoping he's okay rather than trying to blame him for not taking one. Give the guy a break, scapegoat or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 He was injured so there you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Get off his back , he kept us in the game , booting one off the line.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Best game since the last time he played and got injured!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randombc Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 In that case then I profusely apologise to Bradley Johnson, seemed no one else around me could understand it! Thanks for clearing that up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich84 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Interesting to know what the rules say as he was on the pitch at final whistle, I think we should have took him off before. The ref looked like he had no idea also when it got to penalty 10 as I mentioned in the match thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Rich84 said: Interesting to know what the rules say as he was on the pitch at final whistle, I think we should have took him off before. The ref looked like he had no idea also when it got to penalty 10 as I mentioned in the match thread. Definitely a strange one and you're right that if he was unable to take a pen we should have made damn sure he wasn't on the pitch at the final whistle as the laws of the game state that makes him an "eligible player" and "Each kick is taken by a different player and all eligible players must take a kick before any player can take a second kick". The rules also instruct the referee before the shootout to make sure both teams have the same number of eligible players and, if not, agreeing at that point which of the Carlisle players (in this case) would not take a kick if it went that far. It sounds to me as though we and the ref screwed up. The defence will probably be that the fourth official checked Bradley out and in his opinion the player was unable to continue into penalties. Or this was the medical opinion that he was unable to contradict. I hope it ends up brushed under the carpet, but we might not have heard the last of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Definitely a strange one and you're right that if he was unable to take a pen we should have made damn sure he wasn't on the pitch at the final whistle as the laws of the game state that makes him an "eligible player" and "Each kick is taken by a different player and all eligible players must take a kick before any player can take a second kick". The rules also instruct the referee before the shootout to make sure both teams have the same number of eligible players and, if not, agreeing at that point which of the Carlisle players (in this case) would not take a kick if it went that far. It sounds to me as though we and the ref screwed up. The defence will probably be that the fourth official checked Bradley out and in his opinion the player was unable to continue into penalties. Or this was the medical opinion that he was unable to contradict. I hope it ends up brushed under the carpet, but we might not have heard the last of this. So what happems if a player tears a hamstring as the ref blows the final whistle? Technically hes still eligible but woukd be unfair to ask him to take a penalty. Head imjuries can be funny ones too and can have delayed sympfoms. I remember taking a heavy blow to the head playing rugby, i was fine and carried on playing but an hour later went dizzy and almost passed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Definitely a strange one and you're right that if he was unable to take a pen we should have made damn sure he wasn't on the pitch at the final whistle as the laws of the game state that makes him an "eligible player" and "Each kick is taken by a different player and all eligible players must take a kick before any player can take a second kick". The rules also instruct the referee before the shootout to make sure both teams have the same number of eligible players and, if not, agreeing at that point which of the Carlisle players (in this case) would not take a kick if it went that far. It sounds to me as though we and the ref screwed up. The defence will probably be that the fourth official checked Bradley out and in his opinion the player was unable to continue into penalties. Or this was the medical opinion that he was unable to contradict. I hope it ends up brushed under the carpet, but we might not have heard the last of this. Fifa rules include this If a player is injured or sent off during the taking of kicks from the penalty marks and the team has one player less, the referee should not reduce the number of players taking kicks for the other team. An equal number of players from each team is required only at the start of the taking of kicks from the penalty mark https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_14_the_penalty_kick_en_47369.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwib_IDNmtnOAhXOzRoKHYGZD9EQFghQMA4&usg=AFQjCNGIn-jz8itMiAxpEhsKUUgMqXJpHg&sig2=cThSJp_h9GgILUHuNPXwBw No screw up at all, the ref was probably just checking with the fourth official that Johnson had gone off injured during the shootout] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Carlisle only had 10 different takers too, their keeper didn't take a penalty, so it rolled round to first spot kickers for penalty 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Definitely a strange one and you're right that if he was unable to take a pen we should have made damn sure he wasn't on the pitch at the final whistle as the laws of the game state that makes him an "eligible player" and "Each kick is taken by a different player and all eligible players must take a kick before any player can take a second kick". The rules also instruct the referee before the shootout to make sure both teams have the same number of eligible players and, if not, agreeing at that point which of the Carlisle players (in this case) would not take a kick if it went that far. It sounds to me as though we and the ref screwed up. The defence will probably be that the fourth official checked Bradley out and in his opinion the player was unable to continue into penalties. Or this was the medical opinion that he was unable to contradict. I hope it ends up brushed under the carpet, but we might not have heard the last of this. You really have a bee in your bonnet, trying to blame everyone for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Carlisle should have deselcted a player from the line up to take penalties yesterday I think, as we only had 10 men on the pitch- according to the rules the deselcted penalty taker cannot play as goalkeeper- Only players who were on the pitch at the end of play will be allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[7] If one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must select some players who will not take part. For example, if Team A has 11 players but Team B only has 10, then Team A will choose one player who will not take part. Players chosen this way cannot play any part in the procedure, including acting as goalkeeper. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[9] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the potential for a team to gain such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 6 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Definitely a strange one and you're right that if he was unable to take a pen we should have made damn sure he wasn't on the pitch at the final whistle as the laws of the game state that makes him an "eligible player" and "Each kick is taken by a different player and all eligible players must take a kick before any player can take a second kick". The rules also instruct the referee before the shootout to make sure both teams have the same number of eligible players and, if not, agreeing at that point which of the Carlisle players (in this case) would not take a kick if it went that far. It sounds to me as though we and the ref screwed up. The defence will probably be that the fourth official checked Bradley out and in his opinion the player was unable to continue into penalties. Or this was the medical opinion that he was unable to contradict. I hope it ends up brushed under the carpet, but we might not have heard the last of this. If he's injured then he is removed from the field of play, we only had 10 men. It's no different to if he had been strecthered off and we had no subs left or we had someone sent off and they didn't it would still be 10 vs 11. If he is unfit to continue the player cannot be then recalled to the field and made to stand and take a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, WystonRam said: Carlisle should have deselcted a player from the line up to take penalties yesterday I think, as we only had 10 men on the pitch- according to the rules the deselcted penalty taker cannot play as goalkeeper- Only players who were on the pitch at the end of play will be allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[7] If one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must select some players who will not take part. For example, if Team A has 11 players but Team B only has 10, then Team A will choose one player who will not take part. Players chosen this way cannot play any part in the procedure, including acting as goalkeeper. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[9] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the potential for a team to gain such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out So the ref has messed up? Their keeper had to be one of the 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Jamie Devitt Carlisle and Tom Ince Rams took both the 1st and 11th penalty so all bases were covered prior to the shoot out with both teams selecting 10 penalty takers. Apologies @r4derby didn't see your post until I had reiterated your comment "DOH!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 11 hours ago, rynny said: He was injured and was in the dug out receiving treatment at the start of the shoot out not sure if he went down the tunnel during it though. Johnson went back down the tunnel after the shoot out and the tunnel cover had been extended. He had one of his boots off and was struggling to walk / was assisted down the tunnel. Looked like his ankle / calf. He watched it from the bench. Chris Powell was remonstrating with the 4th official / Carlisle lot and pointed at him injured injured on the bench. I think in the end common sense prevailed. I think all parties agreed that our keeper would take and their's wouldn't. I think Carson's penalty was a toe poke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGApro Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Kernow said: I feel like if it was Hughes who didn't take a penalty because of an injury, the comments would be hoping he's okay rather than trying to blame him for not taking one. Give the guy a break, scapegoat or what? bang on comments Can we please give Johnno a break. He was decent second half and extra time and got injured. why risk that for a penno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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