Seth's left foot Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Why? A release clause may one stipulate that the player is given the permission to speak to another club if a certain bid is made, wasn't that the whole argument with Liverpool/Suarez? We don't know which proves my point and if this was the case then it is still in breach of his contracted terms. People are quick to criticise players for not honouring their contracts but it works both ways, I think agents make these situations messier than they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanoakaram4life Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 17 minutes ago, Bound 2 tease said: Agreed...imo Vydra would be better alongside a "big unit" This! Vydra would be excellent! Not wanted at Watford either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, Seth's left foot said: We don't know which proves my point and if this was the case then it is still in breach of his contracted terms. People are quick to criticise players for not honouring their contracts but it works both ways, I think agents make these situations messier than they should be. Can never understand why you would let a player have a release clause based on the size of the bid. Can understand based on a bid from a team in a higher league, a better competition or a different country, but on the size of the bid? I would already be seriously questioning the motives of the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, deanoakaram4life said: This! Vydra would be excellent! Not wanted at Watford either 4 goals in 32 games last season (and £1.5m loan fee to Reading) - no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound 2 tease Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: 4 goals in 32 games last season (and £1.5m loan fee to Reading) - no thanks Yeah your right, Vydra's nowhere near as good as a £4m Blackman And Chris Martins goal scoring record at Palace and Swindon was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I've just been watching reprise of yesterday's "Football on 5" with Gary Megson and Alan Curbishely and they've been commenting on the Forestieri's affair. They weren't showing any empathy towards him. And those Derby goals were so sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I've said it before, Vydra would be a quality signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I've said it before, Vydra would be a quality signing. No he wouldn't, you're just dining out on his rep from a few years ago. He had one good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Penelope Pendrex said: Getting paid millions of pounds a year to kick a ball is a bit different to being an underpaid policeman. Also, he's signed a contract to play for X years for X amount. There's countless other reasons. His behaviour is unjustifiable. Yes it's very different. A policeman can quit his job if he's not happy in his job. A footballer who is under contract cannot. So he's forced to work when he's not happy. I don't really see that forcing someone to stay in their job when they don't want to is something that any employer should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Carson christie. Keogh shackell Forsyth Thorne Hughes Bryson Russell Martin forestieri oh how I long for the effort and attacking ability and potentially we could even field them but I fear we never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffDerby Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Footballers are self employed contractors, not PAYE Employees like a police officer. A footballer agrees a service contract with an employer to provide a service for a period of time. If they do not deliver they breech the contract and the club is entitled to compensation from the footballer. There are only 2 issues with FF, firstly he has broken his contract with Sheffield and they should be compensated, secondly he has broken his contract and he should not be trusted to honour future contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 39 minutes ago, PistoldPete2 said: Yes it's very different. A policeman can quit his job if he's not happy in his job. A footballer who is under contract cannot. So he's forced to work when he's not happy. I don't really see that forcing someone to stay in their job when they don't want to is something that any employer should do. I agree and if they are unwilling to complete a contract they have signed they should be made to pay every penny of it back and be compensated at minimum wage rate for the part of the contract they did honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, GeoffDerby said: Footballers are self employed contractors, not PAYE Employees like a police officer. A footballer agrees a service contract with an employer to provide a service for a period of time. If they do not deliver they breech the contract and the club is entitled to compensation from the footballer. There are only 2 issues with FF, firstly he has broken his contract with Sheffield and they should be compensated, secondly he has broken his contract and he should not be trusted to honour future contracts. Pretty sure you are factually incorrect here and they are paid as employees. If they were self employed they could negotiate contracts with several clubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Pretty sure you are factually incorrect here and they are paid as employees. If they were self employed they could negotiate contracts with several clubs! I think you're right @G STAR RAM I remember having a look at a mate's monthly payslip when he played for Derby not that long ago and apart from thinking I was looking an my annual payslip, it had the tax, NI etc deducted, which you wouldn't get as a contractor. He was indeed an employee. And a pretty wealthy one to boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, GeoffDerby said: Footballers are self employed contractors, not PAYE Employees like a police officer. A footballer agrees a service contract with an employer to provide a service for a period of time. Think this is an erroneous statement am sure footballers get taxed at source like any other normal employee of a company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Some people proper talk a load BS on here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 24 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I agree and if they are unwilling to complete a contract they have signed they should be made to pay every penny of it back and be compensated at minimum wage rate for the part of the contract they did honour. Well even if it is a breach of contract ( which we can't possibly say without seeing the contract) isn't it something that the club is already being compensated for because of the transfer fee? The club isn't exactly making a loss if they sell him for £7 million which is much more than they paid for him. They can't sue for damages if they haven't suffered any damage. if a players head isn't right I think he's being honest in telling the manager that rather than going through the motions like some of our players seem to be doing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 See the Tevez payslip attached this shows Pay As You Earn payment and employee number I thought they were self employed to, wrong http://m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Soccer/EnglishPremiership/Carlos-Tevezs-pay-slip-leaked-20121126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: Some people proper talk a load BS on here: Do you mind not putting my pay slip on line - told my other half we might be struggling to go to Rhyl this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 You can see Riise's when he was at Liverpool if you Google it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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