TroyDyer Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When a club get promoted, they generally start well. They are full of confidence, and normally have a winning mentality. When a club get relegated, they generally start poorly, for the reasons opposite to the ones above. The side that was here already will be suffering a hangover from the last 15 games, and will take time to get that confidence back. But looking at the new players, ability aside...Carson - RelegatedShackell - RelegatedBaird - Relegation battleWeimann - Relegation battlePearce - Relegation battleInce & Bent - Part of the last 15 game mentality.Is it just that they need to be convinced that they are winners again? Genuinely feel that is part of the problem at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Maybe some fans are the same too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 add to that, no doubt there were cries of "f**k off, you're ****" to some players at points today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yeah there were. A fat **** behind me shouted "**** off back to Leeds" when Warnocks name was called out pre game. ****. But from my original post, do you go from losing most weeks, to winning most weeks, overnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Leicester did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 You can also look at it the other way. All of those listed apart from Shackell and Ince(if you discount the england youth teams) have played for their national teams so that clearly illustrates that they have the quality.On the mentality side you can say that players like Shackell and Pearce have the mental strength to get out of this division because they have in the past.Finally Clement has a winning mentality so if any players did have some issues mentality, he would be able to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Apart from the lads brought in, have our players who were here last season shaken off the malaise of the last quarter of the season? As we were also showing relegation form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hasn't anyone told those in charge that changing the direction of play might not be a good idea. Apart from being an insult to North Stand , there is always a feeling of apprehension when play starts the 'wrong way round' and a loss anticipated. Most of all the players don't get slagged off if they miss in front of North Stand. Moans and groans and exasperation but not abuse.Tradition is best left undisturbed ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hasn't anyone told those in charge that changing the direction of play might not be a good idea. Apart from being an insult to North Stand , there is always a feeling of apprehension when play starts the 'wrong way round' and a loss anticipated. Most of all the players don't get slagged off if they miss in front of North Stand. Moans and groans and exasperation but not abuse.Tradition is best left undisturbed ???Felt we needed the change. Time for a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When a club get promoted, they generally start well. They are full of confidence, and normally have a winning mentality. When a club get relegated, they generally start poorly, for the reasons opposite to the ones above. The side that was here already will be suffering a hangover from the last 15 games, and will take time to get that confidence back. But looking at the new players, ability aside...Carson - RelegatedShackell - RelegatedBaird - Relegation battleWeimann - Relegation battlePearce - Relegation battleInce & Bent - Part of the last 15 game mentality.Is it just that they need to be convinced that they are winners again? Genuinely feel that is part of the problem at the moment. Very intelligent choice of thread TroyDyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Seven new players, so many new staff and new formations may be as significant in trying to overcome the malaise. Several players know that they are playing for their career.now.The players who would go to a bigger club than Derby if transferred are not worried about their career. The fact that so few Derby players have attracted interest from other clubs is an indication of how other clubs see our players..If we do not look an organised side that is winning games after ten fixtures then we have failed to beat the malaise and more players will need to come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Felt we needed the change. Time for a fresh start.I agree. Commented on that at the start. Was nice to have them kicking towards us second half. Sometimes an atmosphere can literally suck the ball in. That won't be lost on the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 When a club get promoted, they generally start well. They are full of confidence, and normally have a winning mentality. When a club get relegated, they generally start poorly, for the reasons opposite to the ones above. The side that was here already will be suffering a hangover from the last 15 games, and will take time to get that confidence back. But looking at the new players, ability aside...Carson - RelegatedShackell - RelegatedBaird - Relegation battleWeimann - Relegation battlePearce - Relegation battleInce & Bent - Part of the last 15 game mentality.Is it just that they need to be convinced that they are winners again? Genuinely feel that is part of the problem at the moment. Very good point Troy and something that shouldn't be under estimated. I think you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I fail to see how it's an insult to change which stand they ko towards?As for Ince and Bent, couldn't have damaged them too much or they wouldn't have come back.Although they may see it that the main problem has been removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Seven new players, so many new staff and new formations may be as significant in trying to overcome the malaise. Several players know that they are playing for their career.now.The players who would go to a bigger club than Derby if transferred are not worried about their career. The fact that so few Derby players have attracted interest from other clubs is an indication of how other clubs see our players..If we do not look an organised side that is winning games after ten fixtures then we have failed to beat the malaise and more players will need to come in.If they haven't. Not every enquiry falls on the editors desk. Generally it only evolves if there is interest from the player/selling club. Otherwise it's "what's the deal with Keogh?" "Not for sale". "Ok. Bye". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 If they haven't. Not every enquiry falls on the editors desk. Generally it only evolves if there is interest from the player/selling club. Otherwise it's "what's the deal with Keogh?" "Not for sale". "Ok. Bye".I agree with you, but serious inquiries may allegedly involve press leaks. Why do people on here think that Alan Nixon is ITK with Derby County proceedings, it can only be a mole, intelligent leaking, agent activity or some factor unknown to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hasn't anyone told those in charge that changing the direction of play might not be a good idea. Apart from being an insult to North Stand , there is always a feeling of apprehension when play starts the 'wrong way round' and a loss anticipated. Most of all the players don't get slagged off if they miss in front of North Stand. Moans and groans and exasperation but not abuse.Tradition is best left undisturbed ???I never realised that we were powered by magnetism - or is it ley lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I agree with you, but serious inquiries may allegedly involve press leaks. Why do people on here think that Alan Nixon is ITK with Derby County proceedings, it can only be a mole, intelligent leaking, agent activity or some factor unknown to us.It must be a piss-poor mole then, because he's been feeding Nixon crap for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I have a mole in my lawn at the rear of my house. It is like walking on a trampoline. Catter - mole, holy- moley, mole- grip, mole-ybdenum, mole-cule, se -mole-na, or guacemole., It must be a piss-poor mole then, because he's been feeding Nixon crap for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I have a mole in my lawn at the rear of my house. It is like walking on a trampoline. Catter - mole, holy- moley, mole- grip, mole-ybdenum, mole-cule, se -mole-na, or guacemole., Try a mole-tov cocktail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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