Gambling with our financial future

[Guest]

I trust ramblur is keeping is eye on the ball,   I read that moving from loses of 5-8- million to a estimated 10--20 million

is acceptable under phase 3.A two year premiership plan..Sam Rush and the board have sold this new agenda to Mel Morris and it seems he is glad to come on board..Phase 1 stability--Phase 2 next level--Phase 3 two year premiership plan.

In a poll 80 percent of fans happy with new investment and a new untried head coach in clements,in fact the new season

with all the hype and so many unknown ways it could go ,has got to be exciting .

Oh to be young,but us old heads we look for the pitfalls,for in this game theirs high and lows.

1 Manager plus  2 head coaches in.2 years is not stability and this concerns me,

But for so many the future is bright so hey ho away we go,and lets enjoy the new season

Concerns over how well clement will do as a manager are valid. Just don't concern on pitch performance of the players and management team with cash investment and spending being a bad thing, spending cash and bringing in new players increases the probability of on field success. We could buy players that are no better than what we have. Unfortunately it is likely that if we don't change the playing staff we will not get promoted next season. Fingers crossed our recruitment proves fruitful, it is always a gamble as a player in one team can be deemed rubbish, yet coveted by other clubs and other managers (eg Keogh)

rhodes and/or Gestede are on paper attractive signings....but the unknown is whether they are the reason Blackburn never made the play offs

we don't fortunately need a lot of new players.....four or five should see us have a strong credible team to challenge for play offs. We nearly succeeded under Arthur cox in 1992....with an expensive team who just failed to beat Blackburn. Then confidence was shot, and a team of good individual players failed to even challenge for play offs. None of that failure was caused by us spending money though...we had an attractive style of football back  then, just team never gelled. (Strikers allegedly never talking to each other and instead swapping punches on training ground could nt of helped! )

also, so, we need to remember if we make he premier league we will likely have to spend in the region of £100m.....not annually, but in that region in year one. Again, no guarantee of staying up, but the team would have a much higher chance of success.  Championship is harder to recruit for...the players you need won't drop their wages and demands .....so the players you get are ones with promise or loans....or expensive players who can't make it in the Premiership ( eg Ince......can't get in a premier league team, yet shines in championship and costs circa £3m ) 

[RadioactiveWaste]

I wouldn't say i was concerned, but i understand where mcskills is coming from. I don't think that's whats happening now, but 2-3 years of not going up and it might start drifting to shady loans and other sources....if something's too good to be true and all that.

We'll see, but we came though maxwell, the 3 amegos and so on.

[cloughandtaylor]

In recent years, the baggies, Southampton and Swansea have all gone up playing very good attacking football and all on a shoe string, it can be done. But they are in the minority........

SPECULATE TO ACCUMULATE!

[ramesses]

Trust me, operating a football club that loses £7m per year is not good....unless you have owners who will be prepared to spend £7m of their cash keeping us there. They did it and for that we are grateful....they presumably did it as they wanted us to get into Premier League.

now we have a very rich Chairman who is highly likely putting his own money into the club as well.

If I ever had 200,300 or 400m to spend I would put cash I to Derby County ...and I would want my cash spending on manager, team and facilities. If a fan was then "concerned" about my financial motives and my gambling with the clubs financial future and my ability to take the club forward despite knowing I had £200m to my name I would personally be bemused, confused and very disappointed.

when a club gets new chairman by all means convince yourself he actually has the right intentions, has the money available to invest. You, however seem to be saying even as money materialises and is spent on team and the manager you are concerned. 

Anyway, suppose we all have different worries and concerns.......yours frankly are be using to say the least. Hope you cope with seeing new players arrive, because boy do we need a stronger squad.

​Yes, there was a marked loosening of the purse strings for salary, retention and recruitment to the squad under SM – especially last summer which coincides with when MM rocked up.

If MM takes full control later this month, as suggested by local tv and radio commentators, then I’d be fine with that.

[eustonstation]

Whether Mel is the sole owner or not, we have deep pocketed owners who have been above board and supportive for more than five years now . If anything, adding yet another like Mel, who has local pride to add to the equation, is a bonus.

We really do need to economize on the PR front though. Daily Mail reports Colin Gibson is on a million a year.

[sage]

Whether Mel is the sole owner or not, we have deep pocketed owners who have been above board and supportive for more than five years now . If anything, adding yet another like Mel, who has local pride to add to the equation, is a bonus.

We really do need to economize on the PR front though. Daily Mail reports Colin Gibson is on a £2.7m a year.

​FTFY

[MackworthRamIsGod]

Colin Gibson is on 3.5 million a year you say?

[eustonstation]

​FTFY

​I stand corrected!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Phoenix]

It's reassuring, don't you think, that the manager of a Championship club should be deemed to be worth eight times as much as the Prime Minister of the UK, whatever his political colour.

[uttoxram75]

I want Mel Morris to allow Paul Clement to spend money on top class players. A bit like Clough did in the early 70's on Todd and Nish maybe, (although breaking the British record may not be feasible even for MM at this point).

What i want more than anything though, is for the owners, whoever they are, to be patient if the manager/head coach is bringing players through from the academy to the first team.

I hope the fans will be as patient as well if that's the case.

[Pearl Ram]

It's reassuring, don't you think, that the manager of a Championship club should be deemed to be worth eight times as much as the Prime Minister of the UK, whatever his political colour.

​Yes, managing Derby County is far more important than being Prime Minister, it's all about priorities.

Besides, there's tons more people earn more than the P.M. in the private sector, the Chief Executive of our council for one earns more than whoever is in at number 10 at any given time then there will be bigwigs at British Airways etc, so I've got no problem with it. 

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

[eddie]

It's reassuring, don't you think, that the manager of a Championship club should be deemed to be worth eight times as much as the Prime Minister of the UK, whatever his political colour.

​I'm worth 8 times what that plum-gobbed hooray-henry masquerading as the Prime Minister gets.

Not my fault that nobody else agrees.

[Phoenix]

​I'm worth 8 times what that plum-gobbed hooray-henry masquerading as the Prime Minister gets.

Not my fault that nobody else agrees.

​Ah, but are you worth 8 times more than that handsome champagne socialist Miliband?

[ramblur]

I want Mel Morris to allow Paul Clement to spend money on top class players. A bit like Clough did in the early 70's on Todd and Nish maybe, (although breaking the British record may not be feasible even for MM at this point).

What i want more than anything though, is for the owners, whoever they are, to be patient if the manager/head coach is bringing players through from the academy to the first team.

I hope the fans will be as patient as well if that's the case.

​My thoughts as well,utch. I'd like us to buy the best quality permanents we can afford each year,perhaps with a quality season long loan if we have to, and then have shorter term/emergency loans as the last resort,the first resort being chances for academy lads.

If I were one of our promising youngsters I may have got a bit dejected over the last couple of years. I'd have looked at a bench full of experienced players and thought to myself that I might at least get a chance on the bench if we got injuries ....only to find that injuries just meant more loans. Ok,Hanson eventually got a chance,but it did come as a bit of a shock to most.

[Diag Ram]

Spending money is fine as long as it's spent wisely. Might be in a spot of bother this coming January as we missed out on the play offs and sacked McClaren, might push us over the £5m limit.

[ramblur]

Spending money is fine as long as it's spent wisely. Might be in a spot of bother this coming January as we missed out on the play offs and sacked McClaren, might push us over the £5m limit.

​A January embargo mightn't be such a bad thing,forcing us to use what we have.Sometimes good can come out of adversity.

I think it's £6m,btw (but I'd better check that after my recent run) 

[ramblur]

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere,but I found the last bit on ownership interesting.I didn't know that clubs had to indicate 10%+ shareholdings on their websites (if I've read it correctly).

http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-clubs-focus-on-the-future-2483914.aspx

[uttoxram75]

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere,but I found the last bit on ownership interesting.I didn't know that clubs had to indicate 10%+ shareholdings on their websites (if I've read it correctly).

http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-clubs-focus-on-the-future-2483914.aspx

​Good spot Ramblur,  haven't got time to look on the Club's website because of my age and the time it takes to load up,

"regulations relating to club ownership were amended so that clubs will now be required to notify The Football League if an individual acquires a club shareholding of 10% or more.  This is in addition to the existing requirement to publish this information on their website.
 
This will also apply to an individual with a significant interest in one club who acquires a stake of 10% or more in another club, at home or abroad."
Read more at http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-clubs-focus-on-the-future-2483914.aspx#5IFgYEitSzjYIgRs.99

 

So, if MM has 10% ownership or more in DCFC then it should be public knowledge?

[Van der MoodHoover]

In recent years, the baggies, Southampton and Swansea have all gone up playing very good attacking football and all on a shoe string, it can be done. But they are in the minority........

SPECULATE TO ACCUMULATE!

​Southampton have had quite a bit of financial backing from their Swiss owners i believe (the Liebherr family). But they have also earned big from developing talen - Walcot, Oxlade Chamberlain, Bale plus all the lot they just managed to palm off on Liverpool.

we haven't as yet had any signifcant payback from our academy investment

[Tombo]

​Southampton have had quite a bit of financial backing from their Swiss owners i believe (the Liebherr family). But they have also earned big from developing talen - Walcot, Oxlade Chamberlain, Bale plus all the lot they just managed to palm off on Liverpool.

we haven't as yet had any signifcant payback from our academy investment

Starting to come together though, in time. Hughes, Hendrick, Bennett, Rawson, Hanson. Even if we don't sell them, they're worth money to us winning us points.