Mostyn6 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 even mechanical failures are caused by human error somewhere back down the line.Just put a 10 foot thick rubber bumper on the front with a massive magnet that pushes the cars away from each other. Job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 even mechanical failures are caused by human error somewhere back down the line.Just put a 10 foot thick rubber bumper on the front with a massive magnet that pushes the cars away from each other. Job doneA career in rollercoaster design beckons for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Anyone look at that BBC Article? That lad's teeth are so white it's unbelievable. They're luminous. He is the Smiler. yeah at least you were taking note of what was being said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 even mechanical failures are caused by human error somewhere back down the line.Just put a 10 foot thick rubber bumper on the front with a massive magnet that pushes the cars away from each other. Job donetoo much blue peter has paid off !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 It's going to be shut until they find out what went wrong.The CEO (Nick Varney) made a strange statement..."At this point I don't know if it was a technological or human error".Any rollercoaster ride in the world which allows a carriage to depart while another one is stationary on the track has failed from a technological sense, even if it is being operated by a minimum-wage school-leaver. Whereas you would dearly love to blame 'human error', I am pretty sure that the problem will lie with the ride and its fail-safe mechanismstrue Eddie - unless someone was told about the car being there by a member of the public (as was reported) and that member of staff didn't hit the emergency stop button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 even mechanical failures are caused by human error somewhere back down the line.Just put a 10 foot thick rubber bumper on the front with a massive magnet that pushes the cars away from each other. Job donenot all. Mechanical failure in a system could be the result of a fault in manufacture of a part. Not necessarily caused by a human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 not all. Mechanical failure in a system could be the result of a fault in manufacture of a part. Not necessarily caused by a human error.Even if manufactured wrong, the part has to be inspected to ISO standards by an actual human being, and signed off as being ok.Of course, a that'll do attitude is normally the prevailing one, especially when profits are on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Even if manufactured wrong, the part has to be inspected to ISO standards by an actual human being, and signed off as being ok.Of course, a that'll do attitude is normally the prevailing one, especially when profits are on the line.hidden fatigue or faults in casting can not be seen by human eye nor sometimes in tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 hidden fatigue or faults in casting can not be seen by human eye nor sometimes in tests.Fatigue wouldn't be an issue in the manufacture of a brand new part, so we can put that to one side.Casting wouldn't be the manufacturing technique on any safety critical part of a rollercoaster, such as wheels or brake systems so that rules that one out too, the accepted tolerances are too large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Fatigue wouldn't be an issue in the manufacture of a brand new part, so we can put that to one side.Casting wouldn't be the manufacturing technique on any safety critical part of a rollercoaster, such as wheels or brake systems so that rules that one out too, the accepted tolerances are too large.maybe in this particular case, but you said any mechanical failure is the result of human error. Fatigue could lead to failure in old or heavily used parts, which could lead to failure. not every incident has a human to pin the blame on, even though society likes to have a scapegoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 maybe in this particular case, but you said any mechanical failure is the result of human error. Fatigue could lead to failure in old or heavily used parts, which could lead to failure. not every incident has a human to pin the blame on, even though society likes to have a scapegoatI understand what you're saying, I too think sometimes things happen which are just an unforeseeable accident, could well be the case here, 1st ride of its kind in the world, sometimes despite the best planning you can't foresee every eventuality, hope Merlin look after the people injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 A career in rollercoaster design beckons for you!I'm more of a Theme Park World man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale The Ram Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 A Thorpe Park ride has been closed for investigation (SAW?)Made by the same company as the smiler.By the sounds of it, it was human error to send the carriage down with another on track broken down. However, there is something that is not being revealed. By the sounds of it either the brakes failed which means a major fault in the system.Heard they have a automatic brake system on the ride which will stop carriages if there is another on track which makes sense. this may have failed.Or on the other side the 4ft clearance they had from front row to front carriage didn't absorb the impact. the safety bar seems to have cut into the legs of multiple passengers either indicating this safety bar which is meant to stop people from falling out during a crash failed to act and instead crushed the passengers or the safety bar wasn't strong enough to withstand the impact and buckled severely injuring the passengers.I imagine both of these issues might have been in play and so every ride made by this company will have to evaluate if changes need to be made or the smiler incident was just a one off.Anyway, thoughts go out to the people involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 A Thorpe Park ride has been closed for investigation (SAW?)Made by the same company as the smiler.By the sounds of it, it was human error to send the carriage down with another on track broken down. However, there is something that is not being revealed. By the sounds of it either the brakes failed which means a major fault in the system.Heard they have a automatic brake system on the ride which will stop carriages if there is another on track which makes sense. this may have failed.Or on the other side the 4ft clearance they had from front row to front carriage didn't absorb the impact. the safety bar seems to have cut into the legs of multiple passengers either indicating this safety bar which is meant to stop people from falling out during a crash failed to act and instead crushed the passengers or the safety bar wasn't strong enough to withstand the impact and buckled severely injuring the passengers.I imagine both of these issues might have been in play and so every ride made by this company will have to evaluate if changes need to be made or the smiler incident was just a one off.Anyway, thoughts go out to the people involved the cats has a metal rail at the front which is what would have buckled and pushed back into the legs. There's also a photo if the car concerned and the floor had buckled too. The safety harness is over the shoulder. multi car rollercoasters are covered in sensors detecting cars positions. If one has stopped on the track it triggers and sets the breaks off. Looks like the sensors may have failed - ie the station operator didn't get the warning the track was blocked, or the automated system preventing release with a car stuck on track didn't operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Reckon there will be a fault insome common parts for this and the other rollercoasters that have been closed. Maybe its the sensor system having a fault which renders the Failsafes useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33040618poor sod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale The Ram Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Cant express how upset I am for all of them! Think it was their first date as well. Hoping there might be a fairy tail ending though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I feared one of them might have sustained an injury serious enough to warrant this, I'm really sorry for the girl, bloody cruel, I hope she's made of strong stuff and it doesn't knock her confidence long term.All the best to her and indeed the other three victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinzy9 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 the cats has a metal rail at the front which is what would have buckled and pushed back into the legs. There's also a photo if the car concerned and the floor had buckled too. The safety harness is over the shoulder. multi car rollercoasters are covered in sensors detecting cars positions. If one has stopped on the track it triggers and sets the breaks off. Looks like the sensors may have failed - ie the station operator didn't get the warning the track was blocked, or the automated system preventing release with a car stuck on track didn't operate.Correct/ The metal rail at the front is a handrail to be used when entering and leaving the car. It is in no way design to be a crash barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Did anyone collect The Sun Alton Towers tickets a few months ago? I got a couple for this Friday but can't get. Trying to swap them for a later date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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