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well played to them, good flowing football and Ricthie has been brilliant, the way he shaped up for that goal last night was excellent.  

interesting tables here re: form against the various teams and where they sit in the league.  we are pretty much bang on in terms of where we are now versus our performance against the rest of the league, whereas Watford are nowhere near when looking at them vs top third:

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/versus-top-third

found that pretty surprising.

​Totally shows the importance of beating the teams that you should. Watford comfortably beat the bottom half teams and earn a point on average in the others. 

For instance we failed on so many occasions to pick up the 'easy' points where the others (Watford, Bournemouth, Boro and Norwich) succeded.

Home games; Wigan, Millwall, Birmingham. 2 points from 9 available.

Away games; Millwall, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Brighton, Fulham, Leeds. 3 points from 18 available.

5 points from an availble 27 is nowhere promotion form, that's relegation.

For direct comparison, Blackpool's results for the same games gave them 6 points from 9 at home and 3 from 18 away.

Derby collected 5 from 27, Blackpool 9 from 27. Even if we matched Blackpool, the extra 4 points would be so welcomed!

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​Totally shows the importance of beating the teams that you should. Watford comfortably beat the bottom half teams and earn a point on average in the others. 

For instance we failed on so many occasions to pick up the 'easy' points where the others (Watford, Bournemouth, Boro and Norwich) succeded.

Home games; Wigan, Millwall, Birmingham. 2 points from 9 available.

Away games; Millwall, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Brighton, Fulham, Leeds. 3 points from 18 available.

5 points from an availble 27 is nowhere promotion form, that's relegation.

For direct comparison, Blackpool's results for the same games gave them 6 points from 9 at home and 3 from 18 away.

Derby collected 5 from 27, Blackpool 9 from 27. Even if we matched Blackpool, the extra 4 points would be so welcomed!

​great facts.

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​Totally shows the importance of beating the teams that you should. Watford comfortably beat the bottom half teams and earn a point on average in the others. 

For instance we failed on so many occasions to pick up the 'easy' points where the others (Watford, Bournemouth, Boro and Norwich) succeded.

Home games; Wigan, Millwall, Birmingham. 2 points from 9 available.

Away games; Millwall, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Brighton, Fulham, Leeds. 3 points from 18 available.

5 points from an availble 27 is nowhere promotion form, that's relegation.

For direct comparison, Blackpool's results for the same games gave them 6 points from 9 at home and 3 from 18 away.

Derby collected 5 from 27, Blackpool 9 from 27. Even if we matched Blackpool, the extra 4 points would be so welcomed!

​We all know about the injuries but that smacks of complacency to me.

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yeah, Watford have been pretty steady generally, puts them top, we have been great at times and woeful at others, puts us 6th.

i think we were a bit lucky with those runs of clean sheets too tbh, seem to remember we needed some top work from Grant in a few of them... could be wrong.

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6 in a row Sept/Oct was:

 

Reading: 2-0 (cup)

21 Roos

03 Forsyth

06 Keogh

32 Shotton

02 Christie

Bolton: 2-0

01 Grant

06 Keogh

02 Christie

03 Forsyth

17 Whitbread

Bournemouth: 2-0

01 Grant

02 Christie

06 Keogh

32 Shotton

03 Forsyth

Millwall: 0-0

01 Grant

02 Christie

06 Keogh

17 Whitbread Booked

03 Forsyth

Reading: 3-0

01 Grant

02 Christie Booked

06 Keogh (Shotton - 45' )

17 Whitbread Booked

03 Forsyth

Blackpool: 1-0

36 Butland

02 Christie Booked

06 Keogh

32 Shotton

03 Forsyth

 

So both fullbacks played all of them, and have been decidedly dogy of late...

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​Mostly due to Eddie moaning a lot I remember one game he was moaning because his team was getting pressed a lot and teams were in there faces.. Welcome to our world Eddie. Then lately comes out with the whole penalty thing yet they have won twice as much as any other team.

 

There fans? Check the facebook pages. When we signed a few loan players we was buying the league and little old them couldn't buy anything. Here is a great one this morning from one of there fans:-

 

You can't get enough of the mighty Bournemouth! Getting respect from all over football. Bye Bye haterz and your boring **** clubs and mountin debt.

Fantastic fans.

​My cousin is a Bournemouth fan, (DCFC second team) he left Derby when he was very young.  He is a lovely charming bloke.  You cannot get away from the fact that Bournemouth have got themselves up there, (yes some decisions have gone their way and no injuries) but good luck to them I say

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then Dec/Jan was impressive:

 

Birmingham: 4-0

01 Grant

02 Christie

32 Shotton

06 Keogh

03 Forsyth

Leeds: 2-0

01 Grant

02 Christie

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

03 Forsyth

Southport: 1-0 (cup - they weren’t a push over)

21 Roos

32 Shotton (Russell - 63' )

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

12 Naylor

Ipswich: 1-0

01 Grant

02 Christie

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

03 Forsyth

Forest: lost 2-1

01 Grant

02 Christie

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

03 Forsyth

Chesterfield: 2-0 (cup)

21 Roos

36 Albentosa (Ward - 45' )

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

02 Christie Booked

Blackburn: 2-0

01 Grant

32 Shotton

06 Keogh

05 Buxton

03 Forsyth

Cardiff: 2-0

01 Grant

32 Shotton

06 Keogh

05 Buxton (Christie - 41' )

03 Forsyth

 

So, overall, not as consistent at the back as last season, which we already know.

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It's a great achievement but what gets my back up is the way people go on like Howe has worked miracles. 

They have been bankrolled by a billionaire, no club Bournemouth's size would have been able to keep their impressive team together let alone add to it. 

They were throwing £5m bids around in January and have a £35k a week striker (Jones) on the bench. 

 

I dont want want to take anything away from them because it's a brilliant season and they play great football (I'm happy it's them going up, a win for entertaining football) but let's stop pretending Howe is a magician.

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It's a great achievement but what gets my back up is the way people go on like Howe has worked miracles. 

They have been bankrolled by a billionaire, no club Bournemouth's size would have been able to keep their impressive team together let alone add to it. 

They were throwing £5m bids around in January and have a £35k a week striker (Jones) on the bench. 

 

I dont want want to take anything away from them because it's a brilliant season and they play great football (I'm happy it's them going up, a win for entertaining football) but let's stop pretending Howe is a magician.

He has pretty much worked miracles though. How much have they spent in comparison to the rest of the league? Let's not forget that they sold Lewis Grabban for a huge fee and got 20/25% of the Adam Lallana deal to Liverpool.

They've risen through the leagues brilliantly and the core of their squad is the same playrs which helped them acheive promotion to the Championship.

Players like Pugh and Arter were signed from non-league, Francis, Cook, Ritchie, Daniels were all signed from League One clubs and for a minimal amount, Elphic from Brighton's reserves...

And then Howe has managed to figure out which players were needed for the final push. Callum Wilson was Lewis Grabban's cheaper replacement - and he's done far better. Andrew Surman on the cheap was the buy of the season, Kermorgant was the phyiscal presence they needed and was a top buy - again for cheap.

Alongside Steve Coppell, I cannot think of another manager at this level who has put together such a good team for such a minimal amount. Aside from perhaps Milwall, Blackpool, Rotherham and perhaps Brentford and Sheff Wed, every other team in the Championship will have had a bigger net spend than them over the past two seasons.

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​Totally shows the importance of beating the teams that you should. Watford comfortably beat the bottom half teams and earn a point on average in the others. 

For instance we failed on so many occasions to pick up the 'easy' points where the others (Watford, Bournemouth, Boro and Norwich) succeded.

Home games; Wigan, Millwall, Birmingham. 2 points from 9 available.

Away games; Millwall, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Brighton, Fulham, Leeds. 3 points from 18 available.

5 points from an availble 27 is nowhere promotion form, that's relegation.

For direct comparison, Blackpool's results for the same games gave them 6 points from 9 at home and 3 from 18 away.

Derby collected 5 from 27, Blackpool 9 from 27. Even if we matched Blackpool, the extra 4 points would be so welcomed!

Ugh. Depressing. 

Would feel a bit better if it came down to our record against the best teams. Could say they are simply better than us. 

We lost the league to Millwall, Wigan, Fulham... 

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Same can be said of Boro in fairness.

If they had beaten Blackpool and Leeds at home - two teams they absolutely hammered but dropped points - it would be them and not Bournemouth who wlll be officially celebrating promotion next weekend.

Losing 10 games in 46 isn't actually that bad of a record at all. Hull got promoted losing 15, Reading and Southampton made the top two losing 11 and 10 respectively, Swansea lost 14 in their promotion season.

Draws have killed us this season, and so many of our draws could easily have been avoided.

Late goals against Brum and Norwich, the failure to beat rubbish like Millwall (twice!) and Cardiff, failure to beat 10-men Watford when leading, Johnny Russell's late one-on-one misses in the 0-0 at Sheff Wednesday...

 

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Same can be said of Boro in fairness.

If they had beaten Blackpool and Leeds at home - two teams they absolutely hammered but dropped points - it would be them and not Bournemouth who wlll be officially celebrating promotion next weekend.

Losing 10 games in 46 isn't actually that bad of a record at all. Hull got promoted losing 15, Reading and Southampton made the top two losing 11 and 10 respectively, Swansea lost 14 in their promotion season.

Draws have killed us this season, and so many of our draws could easily have been avoided.

Late goals against Brum and Norwich, the failure to beat rubbish like Millwall (twice!) and Cardiff, failure to beat 10-men Watford when leading, Johnny Russell's late one-on-one misses in the 0-0 at Sheff Wednesday...

 

Yeah. The Cardiff (h) and Brum (h) were perhaps a bit freaky. 

It's games like Wigan (h), Fulham (a), Leeds (a), Millwall where we just didn't have the intensity. 

Perhaps you could include wins over Brighton and Charlton at home too? Games where we were quite happy to drop down a couple of gears. At the time it seemed fine but I don't think it helped in hindsight. It seemed to be a habit that we'd drop into 3rd gear when in the lead or against weaker teams. Not on purpose maybe but it happened because these routine wins turned out to be the slips that cost us.

Injuries have had their say. Even referees (constant soft free kicks vs Brum and the shocker v Wolves) have had theirs. Then the dip in confidence has had a say.

But in all the games against top sides (Boro away the exception) there's been a tempo or an attempt at being aggressive.

Against the lesser sides we've lacked that. 

Is it arrogance? Or Mac seeking perfect performances and trying to play safe?

Because we are better than these teams. 

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