CumbrianRam Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Nigel will be remembered as a really great manager in due course. He took no shiit, built a fantastic team, restored the academy, got them playing great football. We'd have gone up this year if he'd been allowed to finish the job. Sam is now stealing the credit for the success. Schteve inherited a winning team. #couldn't fail. Since when does a winning team lose more games than they won in a four season period? There are subtle differences when Steve came in which really changed things. NC could spot a player, not never had the courage on his convictions to get tactics right, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Nigel will be remembered as a really great manager in due course. He took no shiit, built a fantastic team, restored the academy, got them playing great football. We'd have gone up this year if he'd been allowed to finish the job. doing ok up to now.... Sam is now stealing the credit for the success. Schteve inherited a winning team. #couldn't fail. booooooo. Steve is showing his class by recognising the great team spirit and building on it. Sam is irrelevant in this particular debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 We really, REALLY did not need another thread discussing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Bring on the new season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I guess it's your own personal view with regards to Clough because it varies too much and I understand why. Nevertheless... I think he was a very good manager that was very stubborn in his ways and that ultimately cost him his job. He got us playing to the style, he got us playing some beautiful football, it took time but he did it. However, he was tactically naive and limited within his ways and that ties in with his stubborn attitude. McClaren has done a wonderful job, but let's face it, he had something Clough never had IMO. Competent backroom staff. I'm not surprised in the slightest at his record at Sheffield United and I'm sure they'll be promoted next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Gary Teale/Dean Moxey as lone strikers. Moxey's record as a lone striker is impressive. Goal per game ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Since when does a winning team lose more games than they won in a four season period? There are subtle differences when Steve came in which really changed things. NC could spot a player, not never had the courage on his convictions to get tactics right, See post 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Sam is irrelevant True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Must be the first manager to ever have three teams at Wembley in a season, all lost mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 We really, REALLY did not need another thread discussing this. Its a forum. Its just one thread. You don't have to join in this particular debate about the wonderfulness of Sir Nige's ability to find great players at no cost. (JW's already done the Sammon riposte) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Must be the first manager to ever have three teams at Wembley in a season, all lost mind He would never have conceded that late goal............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 He would never have conceded that late goal............ ....but if we had it would have been cywka's fault..... Even if he was in barnsley at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 ....but if we had it would have been cywka's fault..... Even if he was in barnsley at the time. Great spot by Clough to find a quality player like Cwyka in Wigan's reserves. I'd never heard of him! next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think Jill Galone already answered this months ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think Jill Galone already answered this months ago... No she didn't. She fooked off to Burton. This is about the great job Nige did to allow Steve to take us so close to promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 No she didn't. She fooked off to Burton. This is about the great job Nige did to allow Steve to take us so close to promotion. And then she came back to jump on the play off band wagon... Everyone comes round to Schteve's winning smile eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I reckon Nigel Clough lacks confidence to follow things through, or at least he did with Derby. A few times it looked like he had it made, flowing football and a few good runs. But an injury to a player in the attacking half, or a poor run of form (Bueno, Commons) and he reverted back to the defend mentality. Like he panicked, a choice decision at a moment of weakness when we were 0-0 or 1-0 up. Rushed decision to protect a desperate point. Confusion in the team, a reluctance to take the blame, finger pointing at good prospects like Cywka, battering Leacock for a poor performance. An ability to raise a player from an uncertain future, only to bring them crashing back down to earth when things didn't work out so well. Blatant favourites who would never lose their place regardless of their form. In hindsight, he was uncomfortable with ambition and confidence. Are ego's always such a bad attribute? Egotistical or ambitious? Could Clough interpret the differences? Was the state of the club prior to his arrival the catalyst to his downfall, an obsession of keeping/weeding out 'bad news' players? But he did sign some good championship quality players. But he also let some of them go. Although McClaren has only been here for 2/3's of a year, there seems to be a stability in the playing squad for the first time in absolute years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Our best players in our best season for many years were kids who Nigel gave a chance to or free signings and cheap buys from lower leagues or Scotland. Nigel had the same problem as his old man. He wunt tolerate players who wunt listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 He was an average manager, had a good eye for players but compare him to someone like jim smith. Stimac, wanchope, poom, eranio, biano, asanvonic, willems etc...and took us to the pl, does he really rate that highly. His surname got and kept him in the job, and over a four year period managed to pick up some cracking players along the way, superb manager though is stretching it slightly imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardifframs Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Had an eye for a player,look at Shackell Fooking sold him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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