Cardifframs Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Here's SM in Sam Rush office tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bemrose Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 It's worth remembering that McClaren RESIGNED from Notts Forest, because they would not fork out the money for players he wanted. What was his record in Nottingham? Did he jump before he was pushed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Let's be honest - when I heard about Steele, and Simpson I assumed as much. McClaren will be on a lot, lot more money than Clough and the two coaches will be on huge money in comparison to the old staff. We look like we're banking on this working out, just hope for us it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 will the board give McClaren the money and support ??????? Of course not but if he fails it will be the boards fault and not the managers. After all he's a football genius and not from the non league. (Tongue in cheek) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabber Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The 'we would likely not be in this position today' bit does not necessarily hold true. Many teams have thrown money at a problem in order to fix it, only to find that the problem got worse or manifested itself somewhere else. There is no guarantee that spending a wad in August would have seen any different sort of outcome. We'll never know now will we.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Let's be honest - when I heard about Steele, and Simpson I assumed as much. McClaren will be on a lot, lot more money than Clough and the two coaches will be on huge money in comparison to the old staff. We look like we're banking on this working out, just hope for us it does. Steele would have been earning loads at united, would be interesting to find out how big a salary drop he has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Does anyone seriously believe Nigel had lots of money to spend but refused too. More like he was operating on very tight budgets and was trying to get by now hoping he could use more money later in season. Ignoring the likes of notts_ram, if you didn't agree with Clough's tactics/subs etc, you can still appreciate his transfer dealings have been pretty good. Yes, I know not every single transfer has been absolutely brilliant, but his success rate was good considering wages restrictions too. I just wish he had been allowed to sign Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Steele would have been earning loads at united, would be interesting to find out how big a salary drop he has made. Lets be fair, Steele is widely regarded as one of the best coaching keepers in the world. I don't think we could have afforded to be 'short' with him in terms of wages, this is why I think we've made vast changes in our rational coming into the new era! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 We'll never know now will we.... No, we won't. I'm a scientist and permit myself to postulate and hypothesise, but success or failure in football doesn't seem to follow any logic. I'll be there tomorrow shouting my lungs out in hope, but I try not to over-analyse things that I can't really affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabber Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 No, we won't. I'm a scientist and permit myself to postulate and hypothesise, but success or failure in football doesn't seem to follow any logic. I'll be there tomorrow shouting my lungs out in hope, but I try not to over-analyse things that I can't really affect. I'm a scientist too Eddie and I agree with your conclusion that you can do yourself an injury trying to understand certain things. However I cannot get past the fact that we have an ex egg chasing agent thinking he knows better than a true football man. And where have we got with this change, backwards if you ask me, as MacLaren's and Rush's quotes seems to indicate that it is not Premiership or bust this year but that he has a couple of years to show progress... "We want to keep the homegrown players coming through, build on the academy, and build an environment and culture for the players to challenge for a play-off spot, then eventually get in the play-offs and eventually then to be one of the contenders to go up into the Premier League. Backed up by Sam Rush's quote "Our goal is to have Derby County competing for a play-off place and beyond, and we feel with Steve and his team at the helm we have a great opportunity to do so." "We've got two years to do that. It's a building process and not something that's going to happen overnight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Does anyone seriously believe Nigel had lots of money to spend but refused too. More like he was operating on very tight budgets and was trying to get by now hoping he could use more money later in season. Ignoring the likes of notts_ram, if you didn't agree with Clough's tactics/subs etc, you can still appreciate his transfer dealings have been pretty good. Yes, I know not every single transfer has been absolutely brilliant, but his success rate was good considering wages restrictions too. I just wish he had been allowed to sign Hooper. Lots of money? No. Some money? Yes. Maybe he was trying to get by now but with our back 4 looking leaky and short in terms of depth it was probably not the best idea. Nigel kept stating something along the lines of "if we can find someone better than what we have for the money we have then there is scope to bring someone in" now Rush has said that there was always money to spend. So I think, going off what they both said, that there was money to spend but that Nigel felt that he couldn't get anyone in better than Buxton, Keogh, etc for the money he had. Whether this was Nigel having too high a regard for his current defensive options or there was nobody out there. On the whole Nigel's transfer dealings were average. For every great signing there were a couple that didn't work. Then there were alright signings. You'll probably get that sort of ratio with a small budget but I don't think it helped with having such a narrow search parameter. He seemed to want a UK based team and as a result you restrict yourself massively in who you can get of genuine quality in a budget. I'm not saying we should have more foreign players, more that we shouldn't care where they're from as long as they're the best we can get. I imagine McClaren won't have a huge war chest either and will be on an equally tight budget, most clubs are now if you're not QPR, Leicester or Forest. Hooper? So QPR bid for him and the next season Celtic bid for him and get him and you think he would have come to us if it wasn't for the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Jim Smith was struggling till he sold Short, and bought Igor, then 20 odd games unbeaten, and hey presto. Hughes will got, get to the bookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 i assume the 'war chest' will come from the hughes money. surely he's gone in january? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 More than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 i assume the 'war chest' will come from the hughes money. surely he's gone in january? That's my thinking, I think they would give him half. I just can't see him coming here and have to have the restraints Clough had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Jim Smith was struggling till he sold Short, and bought Igor, then 20 odd games unbeaten, and hey presto. Hughes will got, get to the bookies He sold short in the summer and brought Rowett in as part of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've just spoken to a Millwall fan who told me they interviewed McClaren over the summer before they got Lomas in. He told them he needed a £22m budget just to get them competitive. Presumably that's playing budget (wage bill + transfer fees etc), but even so, it's far above what we were appeared to be planning on spending this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknofear Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've just spoken to a Millwall fan who told me they interviewed McClaren over the summer before they got Lomas in. He told them he needed a £22m budget just to get them competitive. Presumably that's playing budget (wage bill + transfer fees etc), but even so, it's far above what we were appeared to be planning on spending this season. Derby have a far better Team than Millwall, so presumably the figures will be a lot different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just my opinion, but I think some people vastly over state what the sale of will Hughes would actually bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB BIGGS Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Derby have a far better Team than Millwall, so presumably the figures will be a lot different. Agreed. £1.5m it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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