cheron85 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So... you can make top 6 with a defence worse than ours, but only if you've got a 30 goal striker. And we JUST sold Theo... Dammit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgford Ram Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 My Nan would be better than Bramble... You have automatically voided your own argument by choosing a defender who is AWFUL as an example He really isn't. Nearly 300 Premier League appearances, over 40 appearances in Europe, also voted Player of the Year at least once with Wigan. Yes, early in his career he was prone to an error. Awful he is not, an improvement on Buxton he certainly would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgford Ram Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is a new one. Heard lots of reasons why people think Buxton isn't good enough, but he's making Keogh play worse than him? So we need to replace Buxton to stop Keogh from being worse than him? Don't forget Keogh has been voted player of the year for the last 4 seasons across 3 clubs. The last three occasions all being at this level. He has ability that Buxton can never hope to possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Keogh has such a lot to do at the back - 2 new backs to keep an eye on and direct, a new formation in front of him to respond to, and a partner he has no instinctive relationship with and who is not always reliable and needs direction, however much he gives. Is it any wonder he can't always get on with his own game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I wish he'd show some of it more often then! The only thing Keogh possesses that Buxton doesn't is pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Keogh has such a lot to do at the back - 2 new backs to keep an eye on and direct, a new formation in front of him to respond to, and a partner he has no instinctive relationship with and who is not always reliable and needs direction, however much he gives. Is it any wonder he can't always get on with his own game ? Keogh is the least reliable player on the field at the moment, IMO. Buxton needs to keep an eye on him, not the other way round. Buxton is playing above himself, Keogh below himself. There's not much in it when all things are equal. But at the moment, Buxton is playing alot better than Keogh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Don't forget Keogh has been voted player of the year for the last 4 seasons across 3 clubs. The last three occasions all being at this level. He has ability that Buxton can never hope to possess. Apart from the fact Buxton is out-performing him? Is this some sort of master plan from Jake Buxton then, to deliberately sabotage Keogh's performances to make him look better? I've not doubt mate that Keogh is the better player, but Buxton can't be that bad when he's better than an out of form Keogh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 He really isn't. Nearly 300 Premier League appearances, over 40 appearances in Europe, also voted Player of the Year at least once with Wigan. Yes, early in his career he was prone to an error. Awful he is not, an improvement on Buxton he certainly would be. He's one of those players who SHOULD be good but isn't... Originally people signed him for his potential and then because he has all the attributes of a top quality defender... and then he falls over his own face scoring an OG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Titus Bramble is one of those players who made a career out of the myths in football. 10-12 years ago when every pundit was saying you need a Makelele in midfield and a couple of big, bruising French-Africans who can run and run, where anyone with the surname Cisse or Camara was signed up by desperate clubs clutching at straws, Bramble was an English 'version' of a big bruising of that kind of player, strong and deceptively fast and I must say very capable with the football. Sadly, Bramble as a regular bouts of Bywater-itis! Ie. he's thick as fook on t'pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Bramble for me is another Wes Morgan/Darren Moore. I'd have him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgford Ram Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Bramble for me is another Wes Morgan/Darren Moore. I'd have him in a heartbeat. He is the same type as Morgan and Moore, but the level above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I happen to think that Bramble's performances reflect the manager he's playing for at any given time. He's not naturally an intelligent defender so needs to be well-organised and managed. On that basis, he'd be no good for Derby. He'd be a coup for someone like Billy Davies though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 We'd all have Bramble at this level - let's not beat around the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I happen to think that Bramble's performances reflect the manager he's playing for at any given time. He's not naturally an intelligent defender so needs to be well-organised and managed. On that basis, he'd be no good for Derby. He'd be a coup for someone like Billy Davies though. He played under; George Burley Bobby Robson Graeme Souness Glenn Roeder Sam Allerdyce Chris Hutchings Steve Bruce Martin O'Neill Paolo Di Canio Would say his strongest seasons came under Burley and Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 We'd all have Bramble at this level - let's not beat around the bush. If we had an organised defence I would, but as we have a defence that always plays 'last ditch', I'm not sure he'd look any different trying to figure it out himself to what Leacock and Claude looked under Nigel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He played under; George Burley Bobby Robson Graeme Souness Glenn Roeder Sam Allerdyce Chris Hutchings Steve Bruce Martin O'Neill Paolo Di Canio Would say his strongest seasons came under Burley and Bruce. I'd probably say under Robson and under Bruce. Under Burley, he was still young so his calamities were overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'd probably say under Robson and under Bruce. Under Burley, he was still young so his calamities were overlooked. He got his big move from Ipswich and at that point people were looking at him to be an integral figure in the future England set up, has he ever been called up? The fact he hasn't got a club yet tells me that he isn't interested in a championship club though, and waiting on a last minute premier league move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 If we had an organised defence I would, but as we have a defence that always plays 'last ditch', I'm not sure he'd look any different trying to figure it out himself to what Leacock and Claude looked under Nigel. Bloody hell, turn your pun radar on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 To be fair I can't think of a centre back that Billy has had that didn't peak during his time playing under him. Leacock and Moore were fantastic, but he also engineered for me the best defence the second tier has seen since i've been watching football Callum Davidson, Youl Mawene, Claude Davis, Chris Luketti, Graham Alexander, Tyrone Mears, Matt Hill and Kelvin Wilson. 30 goals conceded all year - form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko1983 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Why does it pain you to say it? Morgan is one of the best centre halfs in the championship. Because he was cheaper than Keogh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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