RamNut Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Isn't that where he naturally plays though, he seems to like to drop off and get the ball off the back 4. He dictates it more from there, I think it was the wolves game they started him further forward but he didn't get on the ball at ll so they ended up swapping him and Hendrick over Not for me.....thats the meaningless Don Masson role The first ball is easy, its the final ball that matters......get him on the ball 25-30 yards from goal where he can slip a nifty through ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thats six years in a row you have said it now, change the record will ya. Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not for me.....thats the meaningless Don Masson role The first ball is easy, its the final ball that matters......get him on the ball 25-30 yards from goal where he can slip a nifty through ball. I'm not saying its where he would be more effective but where he naturally goes when you watch him. He likes to drop off and get us playing and as clough said dictate the tempo. Idikez to be honest was the same, he preferred coming from deeper and getting the ball there, Phil brown tries to get him further forward but it wasn't natural for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I'm not saying its where he would be more effective but where he naturally goes when you watch him. He likes to drop off and get us playing and as clough said dictate the tempo. Idikez to be honest was the same, he preferred coming from deeper and getting the ball there, Phil brown tries to get him further forward but it wasn't natural for him. Its easy.....but its ineffective He'll waste his career if thats where he goes. There are players who can play there but they need to have a lot more to their game. Either to protect the back four..... or the ability to hit a long pass like carrick or hoddle Hughes doesnt have either skill...but he does have terrific eye for a final through ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I'm not saying its where he would be more effective but where he naturally goes when you watch him. He likes to drop off and get us playing and as clough said dictate the tempo. Idikez to be honest was the same, he preferred coming from deeper and getting the ball there, Phil brown tries to get him further forward but it wasn't natural for him. Hughes himself has said that the hole is his best position. It's an interesting argument though. If played in the hole he could absolutely devastate teams, picking up the ball in those pockets of space and running at the opposition defense, slipping in through balls (like for Sammon's goal against Leeds). On the other hand the way we use him now seems to improve the fluency of our football (in my humble opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Hughes himself has said that the hole is his best position. It's an interesting argument though. If played in the hole he could absolutely devastate teams, picking up the ball in those pockets of space and running at the opposition defense, slipping in through balls (like for Sammon's goal against Leeds). On the other hand the way we use him now seems to improve the fluency of our football (in my humble opinion). Every player says "the hole" is there beat position. The only time I have play there was wolves at home in a dimond but as I previously said he swapped with Hendrick after about 20 mins. Sadly for us I don't know of the other players have good enough movement for him or can think as quickly. That's why he is the talented one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCfranco Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I can't be arsed to moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I can't be arsed to moan. Me neither. Going to cross away games off as defeats next season. Boring and predictable. Next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Me neither. Going to cross away games off as defeats next season. Boring and predictable. Next game You've just got to look at like 25 points away from home is about the best we can hope for.. So, 75 points to make the playoffs.. Either we get at least 50 points from home games (more likely to be around 56 with our poor away record) and have a chance of making the playoffs, or we miss out.. It's as simple as that. From our 23 home games next season, we have to win at least 16 and draw a few.. Every season is going to be the same. At least 50 home points or nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 ..or change to a manager and back room staff who have a positive mental attitude, especially regarding playing away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 We have progressed from last year.. We massively overachieved last year and at least 7 of the games we won we were 2nd best for the majority of the game.. We played like a bottom 6 side last year and if it wasn't for those lucky 4 wins at the beginning of the season and fluke wins against Hull and Bristol City we would have been in the bottom 6.. This year, despite less points, we've played far better. We're still average though and under this manager we'll never get promoted due to his stubborn rubbish negative tactics like first three sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Or give the current manager the funds to be able to bring enough players in to compete at the top of the league rather than the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 You've just got to look at like 25 points away from home is about the best we can hope for.. So, 75 points to make the playoffs.. Either we get at least 50 points from home games (more likely to be around 56 with our poor away record) and have a chance of making the playoffs, or we miss out.. It's as simple as that. From our 23 home games next season, we have to win at least 16 and draw a few.. Every season is going to be the same. At least 50 home points or nothing! 56 points at home is a huge ask, we need to start getting away games where we don't concede and build from there - interestingly Clough seemed to think yesterday that our away form was nearly there as we were getting beaten by the odd goal in a lot of away games, I don't share his optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Find a way of playing, 442, 4231, and play the same at home and away. Let the opposition worry about us. The problem with this is it puts a lot of pressure on your back 4, particularly away from home. We need two very good centre backs, like Barker & Shackell. Or Keogh & ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Hans. Stop moaning, ya'll give yerself a hernia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 56 points at home is a huge ask, we need to start getting away games where we don't concede and build from there - interestingly Clough seemed to think yesterday that our away form was nearly there as we were getting beaten by the odd goal in a lot of away games, I don't share his optimism. I think the point he's making us we haven't been far away from some of the draws being wins and losses being draws. We haven't been outplayed in a lot if games Away points thrown away that I can remember off the top of my head Wednesday Cardiff Blackpool That's 5 points Should have beat wolves too Not too far away from where it needs to be. We have lost just over half of our away games - which means we have got points in just under half too of them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 But it's still possible we will avoid relegation this season by one point. I don't call that progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 But it's still possible we will avoid relegation this season by one point. I don't call that progress. Bit it would be a record high relegation total. Incidentally it could well be a record low play off requirement too (68 points) depending on results at the weekend So 6th place could have avoided relegation by 11- now last year we were 24 points clear and finished 12th An unusual season this year - where the division has been pretty equal in terms of team strength. Highlighting why progress shouldn't be measured by points totals alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Hughes himself has said that the hole is his best position. It's an interesting argument though. If played in the hole he could absolutely devastate teams, picking up the ball in those pockets of space and running at the opposition defense, slipping in through balls (like for Sammon's goal against Leeds). On the other hand the way we use him now seems to improve the fluency of our football (in my humble opinion). I'm pretty sure I keep getting shot down for saying this is Hughes' best position and that this is Hughes' favored position. His play is based on a particular Spanish side that all too often have 3 players playing in the hole between the line of the oppositions defense and midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I agree with big Rog about will hughes being wasted in a holding role btw. That's where the England u21's played him, can dictate the play from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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