kevinhectoring

One man's financial constraints is another man's prudent stewardship 

The point of him saying that we were inconsistent was what I was referring to as mental. When from October onwards we accumulated more points than anyone in the league.

We could all have stayed in bed, including the players, and we would still have gone up automatically 😂

People can have opposing views, that’s the point, what is odd is that more and more when people with an opposed view are engaged in dialogue accusations of “bullying”, “piling on”, “disrespect” and the like are being thrown around quite quickly. 
What it seems at the moment is people want to be able to share their view and if it’s contradicted by someone else’s view that can’t possibly be considered or discussed. So essentially we’re getting to the point of each of us just making a statement of our own opinions and views and everyone in response just going “ok, that’s that persons view, better not comment or discuss it further”.
I’ve always considered myself to be mostly respectful of everyone’s right to a view or opinion even if I don’t necessarily share or respect the opinion itself (a subtle difference that I uphold, everyone can have an opinion but if I think that opinion is questionable I don’t automatically have to respect it….just the persons right to voice it). However in the last couple of days when I’ve engaged in what felt perfectly respectful dialogue to me I’ve then been subject to what I felt were disproportionate accusations. I’m essentially at a point where I don’t get the etiquette on here anymore, is it ok to have an opposing view to someone or not? Will I upset or offend someone if I counter their views with my own? Or ask open questions to better understand their view? The way I see it provided there’s no personal attacks or name calling, if you’re going to post an opinion that in all likelihood will raise some debate then you should expect some dialogue in return….isn’t that the idea?

You're going to eat the manager? Okay.

I would be surprised if we didn't get new investors, it seems like such a key time for it to happen.

Funny you say that. In the ‘where will we finish?’ thread I started posting “2nd” about 8 matches before the finish. Check it. You’ll also remember how many thought the wheels would fall off in the run-in (consistent with what they call the Derby Way). None of that’s  got anything to do with whether we saw the best of our squad last season. We spent a lot of time watching the wrong players imo 

I also hope he does well of course.  But I fear the financial constraints will continue - absent new investors I doubt we’ll see a big change in our profile in the recruiting market 

And by mid afternoon we knew we had pixxed it ,,, great season ,,, coyr 

When we all woke up on the last day of the season we didn’t know for sure if we’d make the automatics 

Well Reggie, call me old fashioned. But as I was watching our team on the occasions they were playing poorly and being out-played by weaker squads , I was NOT consoling myself with the deception that we were being efficient.  
(And there were too many of those occasions. )

Quite easily. It depends on the opposition 
If you think we played pretty consistently to the level our squad was capable of, then just say so. (I don’t think we did !) 

Well Reggie, call me old fashioned. But as I was watching our team on the occasions they were playing poorly and being out-played by weaker squads , I was NOT consoling myself with the deception that we were being efficient.  
(And there were too many of those occasions. )

You saw the games. You think we achieved an acceptable level of consistency, in footballing terms ?  A glance at the match day threads would suggest not

It’d be churlish not to give Warne some credit, given that we’ve been promoted. But we had a strong squad relative to the rest - especially second half of the season - and we were consistently inconsistent throughout.  I would love it to be better under PW next season but tbh that would be a (pleasant) surprise. 

Don’t say you’ve got it in for Americans as well 

Ok you made me laugh.
 
But if we had missed automatic promotion and lost at Wembley the prevailing view on here would be completely different. My views of PW as a manager are based on his team selection and our performances last season and as a result I fear next season will be tough. I had a much dimmer view of Wayne Rooney you might recall and was in the minority on that one as well. ( I’d much rather Warne than Rooney btw )
 
 

Ok you made me laugh.
 
But if we had missed automatic promotion and lost at Wembley the prevailing view on here would be completely different. My views of PW as a manager are based on his team selection and our performances last season and as a result I fear next season will be tough. I had a much dimmer view of Wayne Rooney you might recall and was in the minority on that one as well. ( I’d much rather Warne than Rooney btw )
 
 

Define “footballing terms” for me?
My understanding of it is more than the comments shared in the matchday threads on this forum. It’s likely going to be a collection of objective factors like results, points, goals scored, goals conceded, the league table etc and then some subjective factors like style of play, club identity (the Derby way etc).
So in terms of the objective, statistical elements we fared quite well right? Scored lots, conceded few, averaged 2 points per game, won lots on the road, finished second, got promoted…. ✅ 
The subjective bits are exactly that, subjective, so if the style of football wasn’t to any one individual’s taste… it’s subjective. If the age profile of the squad and players used didn’t meet the expectations of an individual…. It’s subjective.
So you don’t think we achieved a level of consistency, I assume based on style of play. I do, in that we consistently used a pragmatic approach to accumulate points and gain promotion.
Now we get to see how it all transpires in a new season, in a new league, and with changed circumstances. Fun eh?!

That’s about playing style , not consistency ? Two different things in my book, and I am probably even more old fashioned than you KH 😅
We will have to agree to disagree , which isn’t a bad thing . If we all thought the same it would be a boring old forum 👍🏼

You saw the games. You think we achieved an acceptable level of consistency, in footballing terms ?  A glance at the match day threads would suggest not

I hope you're alright under there @kevinhectoring.
The idea that we've been inconsistent does hold weight. To have lost more than a fifth / nearly a quarter of our games (10) in a league as poor as last season's was pretty bad tbf given the advantages afforded to us over 90% of the other teams. The promoted teams in the 22/23 season only lost 4,6 & 7 games, Portsmouth only lost 5 so for us to lose 10 games does show a level of consistency lower than it should have been.
The thing with Warne's teams though is that they never play for the draw, so that both increases the risk of us suffering those losses and the chances of us attaining those record breaking wins.

You saw the games. You think we achieved an acceptable level of consistency, in footballing terms ?  A glance at the match day threads would suggest not

I've only dealt with any Americans twice. The first as a youngster when I was stopped by some bloke who called me boy and asked for directions,  I sent him the wrong way.
The second was in the Oast house where the landlord agreed to a lock in because some blokes were over here training at Rolls Royce and wanted to watch the superbowl,  I stayed for the late drink and made some cash by betting against the team they all thought would win.

We consistently won? People always say you just need to get out of League 1, by hook or by crook, and worry about the rest later. Warne got us promoted playing pragmatic football and achieved the primary aim of the club which is to get us back in the Championship. Given the transfer restrictions and myriad injuries, there's more than enough mitigating factors to wonder if many of these stylistic choices were forced by circumstance?
Without these restrictions, plus Warne's own comments about ideal style of play, and the necessity to play better football due to heightened competition- the football we see next season should be better. The minimum Warne has earned is for people, especially the dissenters, to just wait and see- he proved a lot of people wrong after Stevenage (A), he's merited the chance to continue to do so.