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Yeah, it does make you wonder what they do on the training pitch. I honestly can't remember the last time I had less enthusiasm for the team than I do right now. I've got no love for the manager and if I'm honest it doesn't seem like he has much love for us. The football when I've seen it has been pretty shocking and it feels like we're limping into the playoffs in a division which we should be putting a marker down for everyone else. 
I went to the game and honestly felt little to nothing when we scored apart from a hint of relief.  I've been going for over 20 years, followed them home and away through the good times and the bad and I just don't see how this is going to work in the long run at all. 

I was close to the pitch today and in the section of the pitch (on the right hand side in the middle) that I could see it was obvious there was a lack of clarity leading to mistakes being made. Players didn't know when or where to run to, who they should be passing to, or the pattern of play they should be exercising. Laing was getting frustrated as was Wilson who had a stinker but oftentimes he was put in a poor position because he had so few options and Laing was all over the shop. To me it stunk more of poor coaching than anything else. 

I think successful teams think about both things. If you look at Ipswich and Plymouth they clearly had projects and an identity moving beyond merely promotion. This is why I didn't want Warne in the first place.

The problem with it being a team game is that it does need to be coached otherwise chaos will reign. I get what you're saying some basic instinct should come in but if the players who are passing it aren't aware of where someone is they'll take a crucial extra second or 2 to find it and then be put under pressure. 

Yeah I think maybe relations since the start of the season has poisoned the relationship with Warne tbh.

Yes, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks and feels that.
At least Billy waited until we'd gone up to tell us! 😄

Yeah, it does make you wonder what they do on the training pitch. I honestly can't remember the last time I had less enthusiasm for the team than I do right now. I've got no love for the manager and if I'm honest it doesn't seem like he has much love for us. The football when I've seen it has been pretty shocking and it feels like we're limping into the playoffs in a division which we should be putting a marker down for everyone else. 
I went to the game and honestly felt little to nothing when we scored apart from a hint of relief.  I've been going for over 20 years, followed them home and away through the good times and the bad and I just don't see how this is going to work in the long run at all. 

It's such a false dichotomy you're posing. You strip out the context and pose a pointless question which no one can really answer. If over time you play well more often than not you'll win more games than lose. If over time you play poorly you'll see your form drop off. What people are concerned about is a pattern of poor play which will see results drop off.
Personally, if we had played well over the past 6 weeks and we played well yesterday and lost I'd be less concerned than seeing consistent patterns of poor play as we saw yesterday and winning. Winning when playing poorly is acceptable and even the mark of a good team if it occurs occasionally. If it happens consistently it speaks to something much more concerning that has the potential to go badly wrong. A bit like our terrible start to the season which could have seen Warne given the chop.

I was close to the pitch today and in the section of the pitch (on the right hand side in the middle) that I could see it was obvious there was a lack of clarity leading to mistakes being made. Players didn't know when or where to run to, who they should be passing to, or the pattern of play they should be exercising. Laing was getting frustrated as was Wilson who had a stinker but oftentimes he was put in a poor position because he had so few options and Laing was all over the shop. To me it stunk more of poor coaching than anything else. 

Yeah, it does make you wonder what they do on the training pitch. I honestly can't remember the last time I had less enthusiasm for the team than I do right now. I've got no love for the manager and if I'm honest it doesn't seem like he has much love for us. The football when I've seen it has been pretty shocking and it feels like we're limping into the playoffs in a division which we should be putting a marker down for everyone else. 
I went to the game and honestly felt little to nothing when we scored apart from a hint of relief.  I've been going for over 20 years, followed them home and away through the good times and the bad and I just don't see how this is going to work in the long run at all. 

From the Indy Curtis Davies interview:
"...When he started, it used to be about centre-halves dominating their individual space. It’s now about totally submitting to the system.
“I was actually having this conversation yesterday with a few of the lads,” he says. “When I used to get a video, it’d be a tape and it’s just ultimately you watching the whole thing and trying to find your bits. There’s no cutting individual clips.
“Now, even the youth team at Derby have analysts for under-12s and under-14s. It shows how far the game’s evolved in terms of that information that, one, you get on your own play and, two, when we break down the opposition.”
It is what has better enabled more systemised play, too.
“The challenges are so different,” Davies explains. “When I started off in League One with Luton Town, everyone plays 4-4-2. It’s usually big man, quick man. That’s the way it would be, big man flick-on, quick man gets onto it. Even as you go up the levels, a lot of teams were still playing two strikers. There weren’t that many playing 4-3-3.
“So, as a centre-back pairing, you’re going one to one against the two centre-forwards.
“Now, it might be a front three, but the two of them are literally standing on either touchline so you’re having to keep your full-backs in. The attacking threat more comes from the positions you get taken into, rather than the actual players you’re defending against.
“It’s all about structure now. It’s all about the way, by being in certain positions, that allows a teammate to get onto the ball. It’s no longer a case of ‘this guy’s running the game, I’m going to kick him up and down all day long’… unless a manager tells you to do that!
“But it’s not just about taking charge. It’s about finding space and another player over. It’s about structure, about everyone knowing exactly their job and the job of the man next to them. So, if I played any position on the pitch, I would have known what I was doing. Everything’s automatic, and your thought process, not to say we’re robots but more in terms of once you get the ball in one position I know my passes are A and B. That allows anyone to step into the system..."
Everything we're not doing. 

I was close to the pitch today and in the section of the pitch (on the right hand side in the middle) that I could see it was obvious there was a lack of clarity leading to mistakes being made. Players didn't know when or where to run to, who they should be passing to, or the pattern of play they should be exercising. Laing was getting frustrated as was Wilson who had a stinker but oftentimes he was put in a poor position because he had so few options and Laing was all over the shop. To me it stunk more of poor coaching than anything else. 

It's such a false dichotomy you're posing. You strip out the context and pose a pointless question which no one can really answer. If over time you play well more often than not you'll win more games than lose. If over time you play poorly you'll see your form drop off. What people are concerned about is a pattern of poor play which will see results drop off.
Personally, if we had played well over the past 6 weeks and we played well yesterday and lost I'd be less concerned than seeing consistent patterns of poor play as we saw yesterday and winning. Winning when playing poorly is acceptable and even the mark of a good team if it occurs occasionally. If it happens consistently it speaks to something much more concerning that has the potential to go badly wrong. A bit like our terrible start to the season which could have seen Warne given the chop.

I was close to the pitch today and in the section of the pitch (on the right hand side in the middle) that I could see it was obvious there was a lack of clarity leading to mistakes being made. Players didn't know when or where to run to, who they should be passing to, or the pattern of play they should be exercising. Laing was getting frustrated as was Wilson who had a stinker but oftentimes he was put in a poor position because he had so few options and Laing was all over the shop. To me it stunk more of poor coaching than anything else. 

Honestly wish I’d have been doing wedding prep. This season would be class if all you do is look for the results rolling in on final score. The fact is that player for player we are better on paper than probably 20-22 of the teams in this division. Now football isn’t played on paper but it’s the coaches job to ensure that the position of the club is at least par with the budget the club has compared to the rest of the division otherwise he’s failing. 
 
If at the end of the season we don’t finish top 2-3 then we’ll have performed under par. That doesn’t necessarily mean you sack someone but if in the next 17 matches we can’t string together at least 10 convincing points performances then I’ll be questioning what we are actually building towards because he’ll have had over 1 and a half seasons and 3 transfer windows. 

By this point things should be coming together. it should be getting clearer and clearer to see what his ideal football blueprint looks like and us getting closer to it. The last 180 minutes of football haven’t been that. 
 
It isn’t black and white is it? If we’d played well but the same things in the match unfolded - ie we go in to half time at 0-0, then go 1-0 down early in the second half before coming back and winning 2-1 then I think the fans walk away content and happy with the result. 
 
For context I was happy enough with the Burton game (my bar isn’t that high) - felt daft mistakes let them in but otherwise we were in control of the match for 75 minutes. How much of the match were we in control for yesterday? 
 
 
When people demand better performances we’re not being entitled. You’ve literally got the manager saying the performance wasn’t good enough in the post match interview - is he entitled? 
 
The only difference is - Warne thinks he’s the man to get us to those excellent performances consistently. I’ve seen enough over the last year and half to know he can get us to perform well but I’ve seen absolutely nothing to suggest he can get us to do it consistently…

I was close to the pitch today and in the section of the pitch (on the right hand side in the middle) that I could see it was obvious there was a lack of clarity leading to mistakes being made. Players didn't know when or where to run to, who they should be passing to, or the pattern of play they should be exercising. Laing was getting frustrated as was Wilson who had a stinker but oftentimes he was put in a poor position because he had so few options and Laing was all over the shop. To me it stunk more of poor coaching than anything else. 

Not walking into a typically dead end discussion with you Tyler, if you can't understand my clearly outlined initial point then I will bow out. 

Yes, Ipswich should have beaten Maidstone. They didn't, but if I was an Ipswich fan I would be criticising their manager, I don't exactly see your point. 

I went today for the first time in a while since my move and new job and my god it was painful. Just struck me as pure warneball with little changing or being learned from the problems we had earlier on in the season. I thought on balance Cheltenham deserved at least a point and possibly all 3. I don't understand why we're allergic to middle of the field and I was sitting low down and close to the pitch today. The players didn't seem pleased with each other and oftentimes confusion reigned especially in the first half.
We'll finish in the playoffs but based off today and what I've seen on the tv recently I doubt we'll make it through them. I'm off to Barnsley in a few weeks and am praying we play better then than the shower we put on today.

I went today for the first time in a while since my move and new job and my god it was painful. Just struck me as pure warneball with little changing or being learned from the problems we had earlier on in the season. I thought on balance Cheltenham deserved at least a point and possibly all 3. I don't understand why we're allergic to middle of the field and I was sitting low down and close to the pitch today. The players didn't seem pleased with each other and oftentimes confusion reigned especially in the first half.
We'll finish in the playoffs but based off today and what I've seen on the tv recently I doubt we'll make it through them. I'm off to Barnsley in a few weeks and am praying we play better then than the shower we put on today.

Lovely video of the post match scenes 😊 
Particularly like the pleasant chap in the white hoody and glasses in the foreground who waves in such a friendly manner to the opposition fans, at least I think he’s waving 🤔 🤣 

I think there were quite a few of us in the home stands too. We like to help out where we can!

2 convincing performances in a row and you still want to come on here for a dick swinging contest with those who were critical when things weren’t good enough. Just enjoy the win ffs…

I was firmly in the warne out camp, and since my move to york a month ago I've barely been on here. But my god, I'm so happy we didn't pull the trigger and I'm so happy the league 1 Guardiola (yes, I've said it) has proven me and every other doubter wrong. Jumped off my sofa twice and scared the cat when we scored in the final 10. Sounds like we absolutely dominated them after the first 25 mins which were ropey. Atmosphere sounded class and in the past 6 weeks this club has turned from a mutinous ship ready to throw its captain overboard to full on master and commander 'lucky jack' as we're downing rum and heading towards the championship