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25 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Love it when Bird looks forward and plays those through balls down the channels, good defending there denied Osula after a great threaded pass from Bird. 

Thats the one time for the season for bird, carrying too many plays too negative 

10 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said:

I like him as a player but his wages simply don't seem to be compatible with the agreed business plan that applies for the next 18 months. He's not been part of us this season. If we get a decent bid for him in January it's time to say goodbye and we all move on. Derby County stood by him during his recovery from two major injuries but I think Paul Warne is right when he says he doesn't want anyone in the club who feels they are a prisoner. He's already cost us a lot of money for only a limited return. Cut our losses as much as we can.

His wages will already be accounted for so if hes the difference between going up and staying in league 1 i know my answer 

42 minutes ago, Simmo’s left foot said:

I doubt we will see him back in a Derby shirt. Lets hope he stays injury free, has a reasonable world cup and we can sell him for a reasonable fee to recoup some of what we still owe on him, and get the wages liability of our books. 

Keep bielik get promotion simple 

Bird gives the ball away in a defensive precision within 4 mins shock 

4 hours ago, Rich84 said:

I distinctly remember him defending in the right back position more than once last night to prevent a clear run at goal by Morecombe after we'd lost the ball.

IMO a serious case of blinkered vision.

And as @Mr Tibbssaid, he didn't have a great game, but definitely pretty steady last night, especially considering he didn't have a regular fellow centre mid alongside him

I cant remember him once covering rb sibley did more covering then bird, you cant say that about a regular cm with him as sibley has played loads of games cm with him if any it should help him bring with someone hes played with for years

9 minutes ago, Mr Tibbs said:

I'll humour you as it's my original post you're referring to. 

Max had a pass success rating of 83% last night. I'm not sure what standards you want from him but I think it's pretty unrealistic to not misplace 7 passes a game? (It was actually 7 in total). How is 83% below the standard required for any level, anywhere? For reference, Kevin De Bruyne has an average of 80.3% this season in passing success, so Max isn't even below the standards set by a world beater. I'm sure Max will be the first to admit his fault for the initial possession loss for their goal but that happens in football, every game by someone or other. There was nothing wrong with his passing last night. I've been a critic when he's been way off whats required but last night wasn't one of those nights.

As for the second balls, seems a miserable take on it. It's Ronaldo's job to score so we shouldn't praise him for scoring any of his 818 goals? Bird isn't a combative midfielder and never has been. He's been asked to be more aggressive both on and off the ball and on last nights evidence is improving in both aspects, certainly vs what we saw against Ipswich and Exeter. 

I'm not giving him the MOTD accolade, just purely saying he played well. I'd have gone 6.5 or 7 out of 10 if I rated his performance which I think is more than fair. 

Its not the fact of losing the ball 7 times he does f*** all to try and win it back! He doesnt miss pass it then bust a b****ck to get back just stroles around the pitch but there all simple 10 to 20 yard passes 

2 hours ago, jameso said:

You are right that Bird gave the ball away in the run-up to their goal, and it was a poor pass, and yes it wasn't his only one (although on the whole I thought his passing was pretty good... no idea about the stats or where to find them!)

However the fact we couldn't stop that goal, which was actually scored about 25 seconds after Bird misplaced his pass, is the real disappointment. It's not like Morecambe blitzed us with their passing for the goal, although they did well and it was a great finish.

Personally I was more bothered by Collins' awful pass which set up Cashin's desperate yellow-card lunge, and every time NML tries an obvious nutmeg where he must realise that if he loses it his opponent has a headstart on him while he's facing the wrong direction and usually with no back-up! 

Were you as annoyed by Curtis Davies' misplaced pass at Ipswich - which led immediately to an easy goal - as by Bird's one last night?

 

 

 

Yes i was but at the same time curt did look match fit in the game felt like he rush back in too soon 

6 hours ago, Crewton said:

I thought that both Bird and Sibley had decent games. 

Birds fault for their goal, its not like he only miss passed it once for their goal he did it 6 or 7 times at one point mcgoldrick and collins throw his arms in the air and turn towards him! He did better then normal but its still below the standards that are expected. It always happens even to the standard of Sunday morning football you can have someone who can barely kick a ball (a fill in player) and a good standard amateur and always concisely good that 1 player who has a half decent game stands out because hes done more then normal/expected, this is what i feel fans have seen them 2nd balls is his job to win hes a professional footballer hes getting paid to do that it shouldn't be a stand out thing that hes won a couple of second balls against 

7 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

"I thought we started really well and then we decided, collectively, to complicate the game," he said.

"I thought if we played a simple game played in a simple way we would win. I know that sounds a bit arrogant, but if we got the ball out wide, I thought it was two v one every time.

"We had overloads but we complicated it a bit with strikers coming into wide positions. I didn't want them to do that. Just stay in the box, it's fine. My frustration is that their two biggest chances were us playing through the middle, losing it and being cut apart.

Same player to lose the ball as well

34 minutes ago, plymouthram said:

There seems to be a lot of Bird & Sibley negative comments on here tonight (and in previous matches). Other players gave the ball away just as many times but don't get the criticism. I watched the match  on Rams TV and Shaun Barker gave the MOM to Dobbin but also mentioned that Bird and Sibley were very good tonight. I have got to agree with Shaun Barker, an ex-pro who knows what he's talking about. I also felt Cashin was solid again tonight, so was our keeper and Roberts at left back. Collins and Mcgoldrick were off the mark tonight and not scoring their penalties probably summed up their night.

I thought sibley was up there for motm i dont know how you can question that! Bird was very sloppy with his passing which also led to their goal also his running off the ball was very slack! He did once get back which he did well with cashin defending well apart from that! Barker was a great player from us but everything gets over looked all the time its time for a change as i could quite happily get a load of replays from that match where bird gives the ball away or is just jogging around the pitch iv played that role that bird plays and hes not up to scratch! Its the effort he puts in off the ball as well that does my head! We will never get anywhere with bird getting away with poor performances and getting credit for doing well 

1 minute ago, Mr Tibbs said:

I've been his biggest critic so calm down me duck. So far he's won more second balls tonight than he has all season, had a couple of decent efforts and has kept things ticking over nicely at the back without it being pedestrian as it was under LR. 

I'll call him out when I think he deserves it but he's been alright tonight. 

He gave the ball everytime hes had the ball theres not been that many second balls and that's his job so why get credit for what he should be doing anyway 

8 minutes ago, Mr Tibbs said:

Played alright so far, should have been 1-0 up and should have had another chance from the spot. Sucker-punch right there. 

McGoldrick has been invisible, probably could do with another body running around in midfield or supporting Collins because they seem to have a lot more space than us on the ball. Bird has been more combative than I've seen previously which is pleasing but him and his mate were too slow for the goal there. 

What has bird achually done ut makes me sick hes done nothing apart from give the ball away 4 or 5 times with awful passes a weak shot start of the first half get your head out of his arse hes costing us every week 

Just now, Edtheram said:

Only thing I can pick at is Forsyth heading it to the Edge of his box not heading it wide 

Nothing about max bird sh*t pass he costs us so much all the time! Hes not good enough end off! You can see our attacking players getting annoyed with him awful passing and nit been in the game get rooney on for bird 

How rooney or tommo isnt in midfield with bird? Or even tommo rb with smith in midfield! 

Cups dont mean anything i agree with srg play under 18s or players coming back from injuries 

The only 1 thing i think warnes getting wrong at the minute is refusing to just keep it 442 or 433 its the only formations that suit us!  Maybe in a year or two play his 352 but it really doesnt suit us unless we get bielik back then i feel we can be dangerous with that formation, just for the fact bielik will control the whole game on his own which shouldn't be asked from 1 player

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

It takes time if the system is not fitting the players .

4-4-2 or 4-3-3 should be used not this stupid 3-5-2

I totally agree we have to play to what suits our players, hopefully we will see and improvement once collins is back again

7 hours ago, Jourdan said:

I think most managers would try to see if their style works in a new job and then adjust accordingly.

In an ideal world, he would have had a pre season to do that, but he arrived a fifth into the season. So can he be blamed for trying to make his mark? I am not sure it’s fair at this stage. 15 games in, I could see your point.

Will he make changes? Will he adjust? Time will tell.

If he is as switched on as his interviews suggest, we should see evidence of what he has learnt about his players and how suitable his style is in the next 5-10 games.

By the end of the year, it will be much clearer whether Warne, the players, the club are a good fit.

At the same time, the fans have to be open to a different way. Many are not, so Warne is essentially fighting a losing battle with much of the fanbase.

It takes time to bring in your own style it doesnt happen over night, but at the same time football is all about winning we dont look like scoring which is becoming big problem 

16 minutes ago, jameso said:

What did I see in him tonight or what do I see he’s capable of?

The first: not a great deal admittedly; some good passes (blown away by Cashin in that respect but different positions obviously) especially at the beginning when he wasn’t playing in a 2 with Hourihane. Certainly didn’t stamp his authority on the game and has only reached the heights once this season, at Cambridge. But on the night better than Hourihane - though for me that says more about Hourihane, who has been totally underwhelming so far for me. Definitely not worth dear oh dearing him on that performance. Just my opinion though obviously.

What I see he can be is a very effective box-to-box player who has all the tools to play at a decent level. He has an eye for a pass and can play it, he can shoot (though he hardly ever does), his physical strength and effectiveness is (was) improving. 

He’s going to be the latest goes-somewhere-else-and-shows-us-what-we-could-have-had if we’re not careful.

Unsure about the Hourihane bit i think there both not suited to each other! The bit i have highlighted i do agree with you in parts i do agree theres a good player in there his strength is still very weak, box to box midfield i dont see that at all he doesnt move enough for me and when he does he seems to run behind there players to make it impossible to pass the ball to him! I think the way we have brought him in as a defensive midfielder has killed his game quite alot and i have alway thought he was better when going forward even when he was in the u23s

7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

He doesn't need to put in a 'hard tackle', he judges the play and puts his foot in to intercept wonderfully.

Hourihane just gets in his way - ask me what he does!

Yes sometimes he intercepts well im not saying he doesnt but He could intercept the ball alot more then he does. Also he courses us to lose the ball in midfield because of him being scared of the tackle as well as being split open because he goes towards the ball shys out which leaves big gaps which in recent weeks has made us concede penos from! If you achually watch the movement off the ball you will realise how much we are carrying him 

5 minutes ago, jameso said:

I’m starting to think there are 2 Max Birds and I keep getting distracted by one so I keep missing the useless one so many people have a problem with.

What did he do tonight so much worse than anyone else? (Hourihane for starters! - yet more evidence that the two together doesn’t bring the best out of him, which seemed to be the reason he was put on the right of the 3 in the first half)

I’m not saying he was great, but he wasn’t worth a “dear oh dear”.

 

Not a good game, but there are worse teams in the league than either of these two.

What do you see in him? I just really dont get it he does 1 or 2 good things a game, zero movement scared of a hard tackle and when he goes for a header he jumps with the other player but no intention of winning the header hes like a 10 year old scared of heading the ball 

3 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

As potentially he still remains our best prospect (although I accept he hasn’t had a good season to date). I suspect he could run for a quite a long time though if his place in the team depended upon it.

He makes stephen hawking look mobile, i hope we see the bird that we watched in warnes first game best game iv ever seen bird play 

2-1 Exeter cashin 

8 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Not really. Warne wants athletes not statues.

So why bird? 

3 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

You ok mate?
Send us a sign that you are still breathing.  Type a full stop or a comma or summat!  Anything!

#worried

? Sorry mate, i typed it first thing when i woke up and was still unhappy with how we played. I am still breathing thanks for the concern