chipperram
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6 minutes ago, LazloW said:
You’re writing about them as if they are some kind of evil owner who’s only intention is to asset strip the club for their own ends. Not sure that is fair.
Whether we like it or not, selling players might be the only way the club gets to survive. It also seems like things are changing on an almost daily basis with the finances. While I’d like a bit more communication from them about what’s happening, if selling Jozwiak, or anybody else, was the difference between having a club next season or not (even in League 1) then I’ll take it, frankly.
I don't think anyone sees them as evil and the majority of fans understand the need to sell to survive. I think the issue is the manner they go about it, seemingly not informing WR of their intentions. Irrespective of being in Admin the Admins still have a responsibility to inform the manager of any decisions which effect the playing staff. If this one is true we could have secured ongoing operability in March had WR not played him.
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I am surprised by this, if a deal had been reached why was he playing. Is this another move WR was unaware of.
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How do I get to GB news...TIA.
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As an aside to all this, an indication as to how a club can have a bearing on a persons mental health is this. My dad died suddenly on 31 Jan 22 and the first time I started to feel any cheer since his death was on Tuesday night watching Derby score 3 goals. It broke the malaise.
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As is already being said, the silence is deafening. However, as has gone on before somebody will break cover, say something crass/wrong/misleading which will create a backlash, further reciprocal communications etc. Gibson’s silence is likely due to the double edged sword MM served him on Friday, he is trying to think of his next move, get his ducks in a row as anything else he says needs to be unpickable, it won’t be though as it is a baseless claim.
It would be great if on Friday he claims to backdown or go to court within MM, it may stop the inevitable issues which follow this kind of thing to football grounds with the wastrels of the world kicking off. Currently the WWFC “claim” is just a distraction and will only be visited if Gibson can prove his claim is legit, I would concern myself with the Gibson claim and not even entertain WWFC until they actually table a claim.
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1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:
I think they're probably right he'll reject it.
You may be right, however, the EFL are in a difficult position as the potential collusion between them and MFC is out in the open. I would imagine more journalists will be investigating Morris’s claims now. If his claims are as true as we want them to be there will be some great reading coming our way.
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20 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:
And what about Boro collusion with EFL? How is that not "cheating"?
You are completely right, I just hadn’t thought of that.
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58 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:
Is anyone else not a fan of this question and answer format of Statement?
It just irritates me. Especially when the questions are inevitably worded to suit a certain answer.
If you are making a statement, make it a statement. Not the question is like it to be and my answer, but your statement of your position.
I think it is a great way to approach this particular issue, it now makes it clear to all who read the statement that he too has particular and realistic grievances against the running of the league. The questions are there to create further questions about their conduct, note he never directly mentioned who sold their debts to sister companies, just implied. People outside will start to ask who he means, relies it is MFC and perhaps start to dig a little further. He is using the questions to rhetoriacally express his statement. Adds a little background.
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Well, here is my take on this MM open letter. I believe he was waiting for the transfer deadline to finish to see if MFC/WW would acquiesce and drop the claims (only one at the moment, MFC). However, as we know they didn’t and it ramped up a little with the EFL, MFC and WW starting to feel the pressure to make statements against a tide of increasing questioning from various quarters, MPs, Parliament etc. These statements show they are all a little rattled, errors have crept in, inaccuracies, lies and partial information, information to maintain the ignorance of their supporters. This is what the main DCFC camp had been waiting for. MM has now been able to answer their errors in the public domain, as that is where they now are.
As much as we wanted the administrators to keep us up to date, we also needed them to keep quiet so as not to compromise themselves in the same way the 3 stooges have done in the last 3-4 days. Unfortunately they do need to keep the club going and sadly players sales are needed, this will give time for the club to now start working with the Bidders as they will shortly know Gibsons and the EFL’s true intentions. If they stick together it is a vendetta against the club, with no sound foundations, if they go to court it will cost them a fortune.
In either event, if MFC lose I think we have a great chance of counter claiming for unnecessary litigation, wasting time, deliberately further harming the reputation of Derby and trying to reduce our ability to perform on the pitch. Perhaps we should call them the cheats as they have used an unfair advantage against us.
End of transmission.
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6 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:
If your looking for facts you might be on the wrong forum ?
I am ever the optimist, however, my optimism is being tested at the moment.
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Before I sit down and construct a crappie worded email to Panarama to investigate how the EFL have managed to operate as a self licking lollipop for so long I thought I should garner some sensible topics from the Forum. Nothing rude just plain facts which could prove they are not fit for purpose.
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Is this how they are trying to force us to sell players, any sales need to be done by the end of the month, if we were allowed to move forward now I.e PB named, clarification of WW and MFC creditor status we wouldn't need to raise funds by selling players. The funding for March needs to come from somewhere as it looks like we can currently fund Feb, probably based on upcoming home matches.
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11 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:
I thought Boro's complaint was that we outbid them for Waghorn and offered him more wages?
I think that is the (real)hidden reason dressed up by an allegation of overspending on our part. Overall it would be good to see how much they got through the year, take away the parachute payments to see how we actually compared.
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39 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:
Another question to add if you do engage with him.
For the 3 years ended 30 June 2018, the comparative figures for our 2 clubs were as follows:-
Wages
DCFC £108m
Boro £146m
Net Transfer Spend
DCFC £38m
Boro £90m
Do you really believe that DCFC gained a competitive advantage over Boro by using a different method of amortisation?
Good detail, however it needs to be compared to income to give the real picture, plus other over heads.
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I am not sure I could support anyone else, I am 53 and only ever supported Derby. I just couldn't get that emotionally involved, you know the emotions, like you feel when Derby score etc.
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So still absolving themselves of any accountability.... is it not for them to decide if MFC an WW are to be considered football creditors..
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Good reffing for the Allsop jackie chan challenge.
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7 minutes ago, TooFarInToTurnRed said:
This is taken out of context somewhat, Boro took action against the EFL for not enforcing the rules which was halted when we were charged.
Thanks TooFar, still seems like there was a level of manoeuvring going on between EFL and MFC, with EFL realised they were in the frame and acquiesced to MFC. I suppose it could be called implied blackmail.
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8 minutes ago, TheSlate said:
It is true - came from the gob of Rick Parry himself. Listen to last night's sportscene.
I haven’t heard it, brilliant then, an audible admission of complicity in this whole sham. The police should be informed of this, hopefully some bigwig has heard it and may act on it.
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If what Toby Perkins has said is true about MFC threatening to sue the EFL if they don’t help their spurious claim can be proved the authorities have a good case to push a criminal case for Blackmail. If provable it could ruin Gibson. I may have the wrong end of the stick but if not the sports minister should be all over this.
or perhaps simply drop a line to the fuzz, the claim by the admins must have substance/evidence otherwise they would be foolish making it.
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Now we have parliament pushing for the MFC/WW claims to be sorted it would be good to have a neutral from Parliament to sit as the chairman, we should not let the EFL preside over it after the way they have acted.
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15 minutes ago, Curtains said:
Fair enough mate it is confusing.
This might help
Thanks for the link, sadly it is just a rehash of the statement. The standard of the overall statement reeks of rushed straw clutching and getting their point out before the admins.
The Administration Thread
in Derby County Forum
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I have a feeling it will end up being Ashley, I hope not as I quite like CK, seem an honest guy. My thought is this, MM is refusing to sell/lease to CK due to the F Word name calling before Christmas. Ck doesn't like MMs treatment of the club and attitude but the best way to get it without directly dealing with MM is for the council to buy then lease it to CK. MM is waiting for the exclusivity for CK to run out, at which point he offers to sell the ground for an already arranged deal with MA. Stopping tge council from buying it and allowing MA to have it.