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OJ Simpson was a great American footballer, actor and murderer, so he had 3 very diverse careers. 

and likewise - wouldn't help us if our vaccinated Brits bring it back with them
I don't know the official answer but it feels like they might be deeming it as irrelevant. They are working on the idea that if we vaccinate the adult population, then the transmission rate doesn't matter - as long as the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations drops right down to small numbers
Personally that sounds a pretty cavalier approach to me, as we're in big trouble if the virus mutates to become vaccine resistant, and of course any death from Covid is what we want to avoid. The deaths don't matter less if there are fewer of them
But then again, the science seems to be against "zero covid" ever being reached, so who knows how this will play out...
 

The key is having enough vaccinated. The risk of getting a virus that evolves enough to become vaccine resistant from serious death is minimal if you reduce the number of hosts it has. The bigger risk is the number of people who refuse to have the vaccine IMO.
That said, let's not forget this evolved from one person under 18 months ago, maybe going abroad before we have it fully under control in this country isn't the best idea just yet.

Well I can only speak for myself of course but when the first lockdown started and Sky decided to make every match live it was like football heaven, I probably overdosed lol.  As time has gone on though, without the crowds they've started to feel a bit souless - even with the fake crowd noise - then of course there is nothing to compare to the actual matchday experience of being there.  Add to that the indifferent season, its just been one to write off and hope we can actually be at PP for the kick off next season. 
Re. the forums I keep half an eye on the Abu Derby thread, the transfer section and occasional others with interesting titles but other than that I've pretty much stopped caring atm.  The lockdown fatigue is real...

We're the same. I've hardly watched any football (ok, I've watched Derby a few times, but 'hardly watched any football' still stands). I'm a month in following my first shot, and since then we've been out for two walks. I'm hoping that mid-May will see us at the cricket, but I'm not exactly banking on it.

Didn't we get told in no uncertain terms that the squabbling and continued debate has to stop?  That, and agree with the moderators decisions or else.  That kinda nuked any further discussion as one mans debate is another mans squabble. 
I'm just waiting to get my jab and for this season to end.  I've gotten more and more detached from football since lockdowns gone on - looking forwards to next season and the atmosphere of live matches again. 
Peace ?️

They all PM'd me to say we were right after all ?

4 Blocks - Gritty, multiple award-winning German crime show about Arab cartels battling for control of the Berlin drugs trade. Good stuff if you're not one of those folk with subtitle-phobia. 

All the numbers, hospital, deaths and cases continue on a downward trend which is great news. Hopefully the good weather will continue and this will continue to be the trend as lockdowns start to be lifted ?

Ah - wish I'd seen this, we bailed after episode 2 of Season 2 as we were both really struggling to keep track of who was who.
I still maintain they should have made all the characters wear name badges throughout!

Try again with this to help. If got hard when characters were young or old too.
I wish I had known beforehand too, but never like to read about series before I've finished to avoid spoilers.

One for fellow Star Wars nerds...
 

Someone must have already mentioned Parks and Recreation.
Hilarious.

Philosophically it's a very difficult one - you could argue that it's very difficult to function in today's society without identifying ID already. Passports, driving licenses, National Insurance number, bank accounts - to do without all of them, you'd literally have to live in a squat and operate 100% on the black market
But somehow the idea of a new National ID card or a Vaccination Status card feels like an erosion of liberty too far - and I'd be against it
But I dont fully know why - compared to 30-40 years ago we are already tracked and monitotred through our lives in incredible detail. Maybe we prefer our erosions of liberty to be slow and silent and this just feels too obvious!
 

Philosophically it's a very difficult one - you could argue that it's very difficult to function in today's society without identifying ID already. Passports, driving licenses, National Insurance number, bank accounts - to do without all of them, you'd literally have to live in a squat and operate 100% on the black market
But somehow the idea of a new National ID card or a Vaccination Status card feels like an erosion of liberty too far - and I'd be against it
But I dont fully know why - compared to 30-40 years ago we are already tracked and monitotred through our lives in incredible detail. Maybe we prefer our erosions of liberty to be slow and silent and this just feels too obvious!
 

Philosophically it's a very difficult one - you could argue that it's very difficult to function in today's society without identifying ID already. Passports, driving licenses, National Insurance number, bank accounts - to do without all of them, you'd literally have to live in a squat and operate 100% on the black market
But somehow the idea of a new National ID card or a Vaccination Status card feels like an erosion of liberty too far - and I'd be against it
But I dont fully know why - compared to 30-40 years ago we are already tracked and monitotred through our lives in incredible detail. Maybe we prefer our erosions of liberty to be slow and silent and this just feels too obvious!
 

Don't forget once everyone has received the covid vaccine, Bill Gates will turn on the new tracker chip that as been injected into us all.

Philosophically it's a very difficult one - you could argue that it's very difficult to function in today's society without identifying ID already. Passports, driving licenses, National Insurance number, bank accounts - to do without all of them, you'd literally have to live in a squat and operate 100% on the black market
But somehow the idea of a new National ID card or a Vaccination Status card feels like an erosion of liberty too far - and I'd be against it
But I dont fully know why - compared to 30-40 years ago we are already tracked and monitotred through our lives in incredible detail. Maybe we prefer our erosions of liberty to be slow and silent and this just feels too obvious!
 

My understanding for what it's worth is that it isn't deliberate, but does what you say. The problem being that the more hosts you have the more chance you have of getting a strain that if it's avoiding the vaccine or easier to infect will become more prevalent.
 

It seems like a positive that so far the vaccine companies don't think the mutations are evading the vaccine. Could be that the new RNA vaccines are a bit more resilient? Or we just don't know. Another positive is that this is surely the most studied virus in the history of humankind, so we have to be hopeful that the vaccines can be tweaked and boosters offered when needed
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I'm no virologist but I thought the process of mutation wasn't really a deliberate act on the part of the virus - just that mutations happen randomly all the time, and if a random mutation happens to be one that makes it easier to infect (like the kent variant) or in future evade the vector of the vaccine, then that strain will automatically become the most prevalent?
 

It seems like a positive that so far the vaccine companies don't think the mutations are evading the vaccine. Could be that the new RNA vaccines are a bit more resilient? Or we just don't know. Another positive is that this is surely the most studied virus in the history of humankind, so we have to be hopeful that the vaccines can be tweaked and boosters offered when needed
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Now that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it is time to start a new thread.
Can we please keep it civilised in this thread, and avoid carrying on the arguments previous one. 

My family just discovered that my Dad is addicted to viagra
Mum is taking it especially hard
 

Just a quick one to say a massive thanks to everyone who has left a review on Pride (I know a few of you have, you charmers). Just broke the 200 review mark on Amazon, which is utterly mental.
Hope you all enjoyed it!