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bit naughty @Crewton you need to take the exploit young women comment back. That's not an appropriate label to give anyone

I don't think Mr Pop is ahead of anything or anyone. He is stuck in a parallel universe   

bit naughty @Crewton you need to take the exploit young women comment back. That's not an appropriate label to give anyone

There must have been some sort of agreement ?

I agree, poor administration by Mel and Pearce. they thought they had found a secret formula for FFP, that's why were some what opaque with their explanation to the EFL. They didn't lie about it but could have been clearer and the EFL should have the expertise to have understood what they were doing.  

I agree, poor administration by Mel and Pearce. they thought they had found a secret formula for FFP, that's why were some what opaque with their explanation to the EFL. They didn't lie about it but could have been clearer and the EFL should have the expertise to have understood what they were doing.  

Nope. What has crippled the Club over the last few years is the competence of the Club’s executive. 

I think we'd bring players in to prepare for league one. Get them used to being around the club, playing and building so we're ready for league one next season..
If we lose 3 points we'd be 12 points off. Considering our next 2 games are Bournemouth and Fulham I'd have a guess that 12 points would probably be 15 after that.
To me that's impossible. 
I think we just need to get a few loans in and the odd permanent signing in who are aware that they will be playing in league one.

Unfortunately they have beaten themselves into a rage. They have no more information than we do but they keep coming up with reasons why we should be made an example of. 
With points deductions, yes I can see why administration gets you -12 and then you get further points for being over the FFP limits (although I don't see why pop thinks we should get more than Reading despite them being overspent by 10 times more( it alleged that we are only £4m over)).
Not sure if I understand the call for points deductions for not paying HMRC, being late for paying transfer fees and being late putting in accounts. Isn't the HMRC payment and transfer fee (singular) part of the admin deduction, anyway show me where anyone else has received a points deduction for that?   
Re putting in the accounts late, I'm not sure how we could have done that without agreeing the re-amortised accounts first (the originals were submitted). The last two years were unlikely to be above FFP limits as the major costs had been eradicated. Anyway what other club has had points deductions for not producing their accounts....none, they get a transfer embargo until they do...Coventry et al. 
So in conclusion
Yes to the admin deduction (unless their is a legal reason to overturn (FM)) and appropriate FFP deductions based on the Birmingham scale and no to deductions for the others.
It all really needs to be based on facts and we don't have many to go on

I think we should amortise the -12 points on a straight line basis to the end of the season   ? 

Two easy games coming up, nailed on 6 points.....?

BBQ burgers v tempura satay flavoured mars bars....tough decision 

BBQ burgers v tempura satay flavoured mars bars....tough decision 

Look there is an appeal. The appeal will then publish its findings. They may find Mel had pots of money and could easily have avoided administration . Or they may not.
Let’s wait and see shall we?

A bit worried by the last two games, we rightly lost both but it was the manner that worries me.  We look lost in midfield, we really missed shinniesta last night. We are now starting to make mistakes at the back. 
 
we have got where we are on a wav of emotion and confidence and we need to continue to produce a siege mentality back to the wall performance every week. 
 
we need to stay in this until we can get some cavalry in come January as long as the FFP/ takeover is done and dusted

Nice metaphor, but I think they will try and argue that the business was unsustainable prior to Covid-19 and if it wasn’t like other clubs it would have been ok.
personally I don’t think you can expect owners to put an extra £20m in the pot and if they don’t then say it’s their fault. 
as long as we can show but for Covid-19 we would have continued we should win the appeal 
but it’s never as simple as that in the EFL 
 
 

Nice metaphor, but I think they will try and argue that the business was unsustainable prior to Covid-19 and if it wasn’t like other clubs it would have been ok.
personally I don’t think you can expect owners to put an extra £20m in the pot and if they don’t then say it’s their fault. 
as long as we can show but for Covid-19 we would have continued we should win the appeal 
but it’s never as simple as that in the EFL 
 
 

That is correct. However he was normally expected to put in £8.5m per season and all of a sudden needed to put in £20m something he wasn't or could do. 

It’s not just about the loss of season tickets, but tickets, hospitality, shirt sales and all of the ancillary things that go with match days. It could also to be as much about cash flow as the money. Season tickets bring in circa £8m up front and overall ticket sales around £16-18m. With the rest such as catering etc you can see how a £20m is plausible 

That is correct. However he was normally expected to put in £8.5m per season and all of a sudden needed to put in £20m something he wasn't or could do. 

It’s not just about the loss of season tickets, but tickets, hospitality, shirt sales and all of the ancillary things that go with match days. It could also to be as much about cash flow as the money. Season tickets bring in circa £8m up front and overall ticket sales around £16-18m. With the rest such as catering etc you can see how a £20m is plausible 

I would prefer that we paid all of our bills in full as that's the right thing to do. 

Only guesswork, but we were screwed with either amortisation method. EFL approved method screws us up to 2020/2021, whereas Derby method would have us in a tricky situation for a couple more years after that.

All I see is Sky TV money going into  our coffers 

First time I have had this explained, thank you. So do you know the breakdown of the subsequent year over spend? Are we (Mel) saying that DCFC budgeted to be within FFP based on the original submitted accounts and could have altered them if we had chance. That seems a reasonable defence as long as we were within FFP with the old accounts