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1 hour ago, tinman said:

And that’s the crux of the matter. Its the new position that’s the problem, not the drum itself. 
believe it or not but people might not want to have the drum right next to them. 

Yeah wouldn't disagree. But the South Stand needs improving and this was one thing that was left to try and do that.

It was not setup for it to be a morgue otherwise we may have just kept the SE Corner that died on its arse.

5 minutes ago, Ramchop said:

Maybe your "socials" are a limited selection of the broad church that is Derby fans. 

I wouldn't feel comfortable confronting a group of lads with a drum in the south stand, personally. A handful of fans complained but how many didn't enjoy it and didn't complain? How many people on here have agreed with you Vs disagreed?

There are plenty of ways that fans could complain in private.

More complained about the result if that helps.

I dont expect many to agree on here to be honest. It was the same with my original Mel Morris post. I guess its easy to reply when majority on here are anon and I am not (not to all mind)

5 minutes ago, Bontddu Ram said:

Bloody hell, Nick, it's like groundhog day. All these years and your stilI up against it 😂 Fair play for persevering.

I remember the amount of effort than went into securing the South Stand by yourself and others. All done for no personal benefit, just a collective desire to improve the atmosphere. Numerous meetings, numerous setbacks and a few false starts before things got sorted. It was always about creating a dedicated singing stand and it was advertised as such. The drum was always part of the arrangement and was there from the beginning. It was not something that was sprung on unsuspecting supporters without warning. I feel that a lot of fans originally went into the South Stand because of the cheap tickets and that's perfectly fine, but it was with the knowledge that it was a singing stand. It's like buying a cheap house that is next to a noisy factory and then complaining about the noisy factory. It was cheap for a reason. Other area's are available. 

My general take on atmosphere - keep the songs simple, keep them going (other supporters will cut in and out depending on the action), bin the swearing, it's not needed, use the drum sparingly to start a song or keep a rhythm if needed, and most of all use the atmosphere to lift the players when they need it most e.g. just after conceding etc. Even if just a small group persist with the singing then other people will join in in due course.

On a lighter note, believe it or not, I am considering attending a game - Shrewsbury away as it is the nearest ground to where I now reside so would be great to catch up.

P.S - Send my regards to Adam, he deserves a medal.

 

 

 

 

Top post as always mate! Will see you at the Shrews and glad to see you still reading the forums!

3 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

This

The football noise this weekend from the EPL was very very limited, You have to ask yourself WHY!, I've a friend who's a Spurs fan and a season ticket holder...lives in Ambergate, ST costs £6k he was a bit of a lad back in the day, Now he sits in the middle tier has a meal and a pint and watches the game in comfort...crazy aint it, When he can't make the game he sells the ticket for...wait for it £300...mental.

Times are changing and have been for a good few years, Songs have had their guts ripped out and changed for the TV customer as those don't like to hear those "nasty words" 😉, It's a tough call fella but if people are paying good money then it's money that calls the shots...as is always.

Indeed mate and top post. Just trying to improve things to ultimately make our team better. This goes back to the very first meeting I had with Cloughie over it all back in the late 00's.

7 minutes ago, Tombo said:

Think on this for a moment too. If the drum is in D block, the rowdiest block, and is getting complaints there, maybe it isn't doing much for the people who do want to sing and create an atmosphere.

If D Block don't want it, it probably doesn't have a home anywhere. Those are the people least likely to moan about the drum, and yet they have done

A minority. Only 1 person at the time said something to Adam and he knew him. No one complained to stewards at the time... Very much a reactive complaint. Plan was always if Adam got heat during the game he was going to leave area..

4 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

OK, so let’s try it for a few games and see if anyone notices the difference. Also, regarding your final paragraph, I did say a poll of the South Standers not the whole ground. 

That's what we asked for ... It was always a trial .. I genuinely believe perhaps if we had won nothing more would of been said and fans would have enjoyed it .. Like the many other games where it was great! Can always drag up the youtube videos.....

Sorry misread mate!

Just now, Tombo said:

I agree, but can we drop the talk about NMLs wang? I cringe every time I hear it

I agree Tombo. Didn't help when McGoldrick was joining in though at Exeter away last season........ He must know.

Just now, Tamworthram said:

Was there any less atmosphere last night without the drum than there was for the Wigan game with it?

My personal opinion, despite the fact the game last night was far worse than the opening game of the season, is no but I may be in the minority. If the consensus is “no” then it adds no value and won’t be missed. I appreciate all the hard work put into creating an atmosphere (in the South Stand in particular) and the fact that the club may have contributed toward the purchase of the drum but that doesn’t mean it should be kept on regardless.

I sit in the East Stand and so can’t really hear it that much but I’d hate to have to tolerate the constant thud if I was sitting nearer. On that basis, perhaps @angieram’s idea of a poll of South Standers nearby some be taken. 🤷🏻

A one game trial was not enough to decide either way.

It wasn't the club, it was Tom Lawrence and the squad at the time.

Hence the reason it would never be with you in the East Stand because that's not the place to be for atmosphere. Somewhere else is though.....

3 minutes ago, jimbo jones said:

I have no particular objection to the drum, but…THIS!

When I started going it was simple songs about the team you could sing loudly, and songs about our own players…even the s*** ones. Not sure where that got lost.

AGREE! Then players cocks came along....

Saddens me to say but I find the younger generation dont like the original club songs like We are Derby etc .. Kind of feels that they need to sing all this European lark all the time.. Don't get me wrong there is a place for some of them songs but sure we can all agree old school songs about your club are the best.

Just now, ThePrisoner said:

I don't get the relevance of no complaints on social media. Social media isn't the temperature of everyone in attendance.

No but it gives a good idea of feeling ..... Or did we play alright last night? 😉

3 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

An old sod here who's been in the Popside...both Vulcan and Columbo, Ossie End and C stand, We didn't need a drum back in the day.

Today we have a different attitude, Those who go into the South Stand do so as it's where the atmosphere is or was...also the main reason...imo is they STAND, I wasn't aware it was compulsory to sing. 

Remember this...you can please some of the people some of the time, But you can't please all the people all of the time. 

Very valid fair point at the end there. Just seems everything anyone tries to do is shot down because a minority few dont agree with it hence why I keep banging on about 3 other stands. I could understand if this all of a sudden popped up in the East or West Stand for example.

Atmospheres at football are dying in England except for a few clubs that are doing something about it. Even Arsenal. I mean come on.....

7 minutes ago, GenBr said:

Nope. If you don't like someone banging a drum in your ear you shouldn't be forced to move out of a seat you may have had for years just because someone wants to tunelessly smash a drum all game. Find him somewhere he can sit that doesn't present a detriment to other fans enjoyment of the game and you can bang the drum as much as you like. Either that or buy all the seats around the drummer - problem solved.

As for your third paragraph don't be silly. Anyone sat next to that who doesn't already have significantly damaged hearing is going to be bothered by it. If you can clearly hear the drum from the other side of the stadium - which I assure you we can - then there is no chance its not damaging peoples hearing if they are sat right next to it. If you and your mates don't mind a bit of deafness by all means sit next to the drummer boy, but don't be surprised if other people don't share your lackadaisical views.

Its really not a case of someone just tunelessly smashing a drum all game though is it... Its joining in with said song at the time and again I question if you are not joining in with the song what's the point of being there.

It has been mentioned about making a special block available in Block D for example but this would mean turning fans out of there seats who want to be there - hardly a win win. There are no available seats, this is the issue.

It's not about the other end of the ground hearing it.

1 minute ago, angieram said:

They need to take a poll of the whole block and go with the majority. Simple enough. 

Good idea .. Now then.....

3 minutes ago, angieram said:

Couldn't the people who don't like it be relocated a block or two over? 

And how many complaints are enough? 5? 10? 20? In a block of 200.

Do the other 195/190/180 want it there? If so, should be a majority vote. 

You would think so Angie. I think they had quite a few so going on of upwards of 5 or more..

Like i said earlier, zero complaints on social media that night.....

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Maybe the lack of one tuneless a-rhythmic drum being walloped, not played, might lead to a better atmosphere? Lol, as if the players are going to say they hate it? 

It was only a year or so ago they kindly (off their own back) paid for a new drum.

2 minutes ago, GenBr said:

I wouldn't want to sit with someone banging a drum right next to me for 90+ minutes either. You can't just tell people don't sit in the south stand unless you want to go deaf.

So you have the option of moving to 3 other stands. Fair compromise?

It's hardly people going deaf.

I would question why anyone would be in the South Stand that would be too focused on someone banging a drum, they should be joining in singing to not even be bothered by that.

7 minutes ago, Tombo said:

This may not be popular but I think the drum needs to go. I don't think it adds anything and more often than not the rhythm is completely off

Especially if the South Stand doesn't want it. The people in the South Stand may well want atmosphere but they draw the line at having a drum down their earholes for 90+ minutes.

Look at it the reverse way Nick, if South Standers generally don't want it, that's democracy. There's more to the stand than a bloke with a drum. Find another way to bolster the atmosphere

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the South Stand was introduced alongside the drum. Was part of it.

Issue i have ... Wigan game .. Not one moan on the socials of it in the stands yet actual complaints into the club via calling them and emails. 

Rhythm has been completing wrong last few years as down below and I am sure we can both agree that its absolutely pointless down there. 

Its simply there to keep tempo going.

1 minute ago, Tombo said:

This bit totally passed me by, what the hell are you talking about??

It's a drum ffs, get over yourselves.

You do realise if you and none of your pals attended the game, there would still be an atmosphere don't you? It doesn't start and end with you

I dont even sit with the guys mentioned Tombo.

What i meant by the cancel culture. Zero complaints in 3 years where the drum originally was to many complaints after 1 game. Everyone feels the need to complain and whinge about everything these days. You could argue I am doing the same mind but thats a reaction.

I dont think for one minute I was saying it was. Please dont try and put me or 'my pals' on that pedestal. Trying to improve the atmosphere for everyone. Kind of the atmosphere that gets that little bit more out of the players to help us win games. It helps. Ask the players.

Hi guys

Hope all is well ... Just wanted to pop this on here to make everyone aware.

Sure some of you have seen Adam Sanders status about the drum not being allowed into the South Stand (up in Block D next to the away fans) for the foreseeable future following the first home game against Wigan.

Unfortunately the club have received quite a few complaints from fans in this area who were unhappy at the noise levels. To the extreme where 1 fan felt the need to nip to the Wyvern after the game to visit Boots to get some pills.

Now I get the drum is not everyone's cup of tea and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, alot of blood, sweat and hard graft went in to getting the South Stand back for home fans versus leaving it empty or giving silly allocations to away fans.

This was a project that took many years to get and the last thing I want to see is it fall on its arse because certain fans find it too noisy. The drum is used to keep the tempo going and to get more involved. Its not there to start the atmosphere, a simple thing to add to the atmosphere, simple as that.

When we first had the South Stand the drum was located in the TV Gantry and worked well over the years with zero complaints. Adam had to move because the platform would often bounce and Sky Sports took issue with this. LOL! That's why Adam had to move down to the front and we all know it just hasn't worked.

We finally managed to agree with the club (very much on board) for the drum to be positioned in Block D which is nearest to the away fans and fair to say the most vocal block in the South Stand.

Obviously as mentioned this was met with a fair few complaints from our own fans who complained about the noise levels of the drum which has forced the club (who i again stress back it) to remove Adam from this area.

My take has always been this. If you are in the South Stand you should be there for and to create the atmosphere. If you are not, then this isn't the stand for you. We have 3 other stands where you can also sit and stand should you wish and not be in the presence of like minded fans who want to be part of something on a matchday which involves 'noise'.

What fascinates me most is that we had some of our best away days with the drum at Peterborough, Oldham etc and not 1 complaint over all the other games we took it to away from home. I guess we do live in a cancel culture kind of world these days.....

Adam will be continuing in the South Stand concourse pre game for the Saturday games for like minded fans to get together with the hope of continuing it up in the stands 15 minutes prior to kick off. This worked well at home to Wigan.

If you would like to email the club and back one of your own in Adam then please drop Emma (Supporter Liaison Office) at slo@dcfc.co.uk

Met him the Yard and then took him to the back of the South and then of course into the concourse for a pre match warm up..

Never known so many fans want a photo with him haha!

Really nice chap and was lovely to spend some time with him talking about Seoul and Derby..

By god he can drink as well! Think he enjoyed it though and it was lovely to see him hopefully get a good impression of our fanbase and the culture.

6 minutes ago, Boycie said:

I’ve still got my free scarf, sniff.

You know the one, from when everyone loved him when he was spending.

I certainly didn't love him and fair to say a few others didn't either.

But when I go back to my post from when I made everyone aware of the potential issues we faced, i do agree with you. The support for him was something else. A lesson learned I hope.

10 hours ago, Boycie said:

Mel never missed a charter meeting, just saying.

And I think we all know why that was ...... #controlfreak

37 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Why is this only announced now when he resigned at the end of the season? Serving notice? 

Supporter charter minutes are out in a couple of hours (this evening) and there was a question raised about Pat so suspect club just wanted to put something official out surrounding his departure, personally thought they had already!

11 minutes ago, simmoram1995 said:

Derbys biggest problem is not selling players at the right time 

 

from memory 

hulse 4m- Middlesbrough ended up going to qpr for 200k

martin I think was wanted for somewhere between 3-5m ended up with multiple loans and free 

knight - 5-7m a few seasons ago - now be lucky to get 2m +

Dean Sturridge..............😑

29 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

For Fozzy's testimonial and for most cup games the club now closes half the ground. 

I sit in the West Stand and part of the appeal is sitting with matchday friends. I also heard a South Stander on Radio Derby saying he doesn't go to games when the South Stand is closed.

Clearly the club are doing it as it some analysis has shown it will save money. I wonder if it actually does though. I hardly ever go if I can't sit in 'my' seat and I always would if I could.

Any thoughts?

That would be me on the radio 🙂

No my opinion is that I wont go to the games if the South Stand is not open. Just my personal preference. However, I totally understand the costs involved and can see why they do it, from a South Stand point of view though, if you want atmosphere this stand needs to be open for any competitive fixture.

For low level fixture such as friendlies, Papa etc it's just not cost effective to have the catering facilities, stewards etc in stands that wont even top 200 odd..

For me the East Stand and South is a perfect fit. Want to sit and watch the game you go East and if you want some atmosphere you go South.