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1 hour ago, WarCatDCFC said:

We are signing people behind the England cricket team world Cup win what the heck do they know about football and why are signing people who like cricket I know our history was made from cricket team and baseball but why is this club going backwards 

So, I see another that another wum has landed on the forum.

That was appalling, worse than anything that Derby served up last season that I saw.

Where would this England team have finished in lg1 last season?

2 hours ago, Jubbs said:

He's more than that. He's an extremely useful, hardworking technical striker who could be utilised very effectively in a Warne team.

This is his defensive stats compared to other attackers, presses extremely well. Warne could get some use out of him, especially if paired with another striker with better finishing instincts. 

An ideal replacement for Collins, if he doesn't agree a deal?

11 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

No difference. As P&S is judged over a 3 year period (4 during Covid), the Johnson sale would be included in the currnet P&S period whether part of the 22/23 or 23/24 season.

The sale being included in the 23/24 season does help them in the 3 years to 2026 though.

I stand corrected.👍

I keep forgetting that the headline transfer fee is split over the length of the contract when it comes to purchases. As you've previously pointed out money 'raised' from sales is only counted against the 'book value' of a player. So, am I correct in thinking that if they were to sell an expensive flop for a loss on his 'book value', this would actually count against them from an FFP point of view, even though money would actually be coming into the club?

17 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Maybe so but surely starts to wear a bit thin given Johnson is going to be included in this one and they still need the £20m

Imagine how much trouble they'd be in if they'd sold him when they should have. They'd have avoided the 'massive' 4 point deduction which didn't actually affect them, but would now be needing to sell players far in excess of what they have to at the moment.

On 09/06/2024 at 00:55, oomarkwright said:

These are now my second team for the euros and will try to watch their games with interest! 

Yeh would like to see him back now he has matured. 

Yes, I'll be following him as well during the Euros.

Regarding his maturity, I felt that he was already mature beyond his years when he was at Derby. 

One of the problems with having loanees, is that sometimes our own youngsters get pushed back and aren't given the chance.

Take Dajaune for instance, imagine if he was a Spurs youngster who'd just had a great loan at Gateshead, we'd all be screaming to get him on loan at Derby for this season, but many are saying that he's not ready.

14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Starting to see a couple of players secure moves who wouldnt have suprised me if they'd have rocked up here, and I'm sure over the next couple more will move too.

Dont know if to be excited (we are pursuing higher up) or very nervous (we cant compete with Wendies/Oxford).

Also Langstaff at Notts looks likely to stay, after accepting the captaincy there for next season. I would have thought that it would have been odds on that he would have been playing in a higher league next season.

19 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

I backed Paul Warne all of last season , even when we were out of the top 6. I like him as a person and do not find him irritating. However if we don’t pick up 15 pts from the first 10 games next season or lose 5 games on the bounce - I think he could be toast . 

I think that we would be well happy with 15pts from the first 10 games, that's on course for 69 points over the season and a probable top 10 finish. A point a game will be ok for the first ten games, whilst the new team are settling in, before pushing on for the remainder of the season.

Going to the first match after relegation to Lg1 is a most depressing moment to fans of most teams, but for us, it was the joy and relief that we still had a team to support and a hope that we would never take that for granted again. Watching our players come out of the tunnel to start that game was really emotional, realising how close we were to losing it all.

Unsurprisingly, Villa are amongst 6 Premier clubs, the other 5 being forest, fester, Everton, Newcastle and Chelsea, who need to sell players before the June 30th deadline, to comply with FFP.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to them that between them they need to offload tens of millions of pounds worth of players and that there are a limited number of clubs out there with spare funds available from their 23/24 accounts year. It's going to be a buyers' market out there and teams like forest should realise that they're going to struggle to get what they want for these players or will have to let go players that they would rather keep. 

Now the Premier League have set a precedent, maybe they will think that a £35m excessive loss is worth a 4 point penalty, if it means keeping a top player.

9 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Forget that lot , we now know what Warne is aiming for . We should be talking to Callum O’Hare , on a free from Coventry . Luton  want him , they have parachute money but come on ! 

I think that he'll be after a Premier league team and their money.

3 minutes ago, ossieram said:

No losses or draws. 

But 0 xg!🙄

Looking at the number of players released by Premier clubs, there's going to be a few of the younger players who could kick on at the right club. Hopefully, we could pick one up at a sensible wage.

On 30/05/2024 at 09:30, BaaLocks said:

 

- Wildsmith should have been sent off against Oxford, after that we're never coming back to win it

Wildsmith shouldn't have been sent off against Oxford, if a player commits a foul in the penalty area whilst making a genuine effort to play the ball, then a penalty and a yellow card is the correct decision. A ref can only give a penalty and a red card if he feels that the foul is cynical with no attempt to play the ball. Wildsmith just mistimed his challenge.

14 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Burnley spent a £100 mill on players after they stormed the Championship last time . They still couldn’t stay up . If we got up next season , would fans be happy with taking the money but having another 11 pt season ?

I didn't realise that they'd spent so much, as you say, the gamble didn't pay off. Their parachute payments will be taken up paying for all those signings and their wages.

5 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

Home vs Sheff Wed first game.

Seem to remember this happening a few times before

Derby v dirties on the Friday night at Sky's request is highly likely. 

1 hour ago, BathRam72 said:

Do football clubs get to request anything? (genuine question)

Yes, I've heard that they do. They can request away fixtures to avoid clashes with big local events. 

I believe that Shrewsbury used to request an away game on the weekend of the big local flower show, for instance.

2 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Sounds exactly like the bankers. "Look at all the extra profits we made you". Until they turned out not to be there. Just like premier League profits.

That's down to clubs like forest and villa spending a fortune to stay up, I would imagine that Burnley, Luton and Sheff Utd all made a tidy profit from their season in the Premier. It's not down to the players and their agents, how the club capitalise on their success.

Premier league clubs only made a loss due to ridiculous spending on players, the clubs had combined operating profits of £460m and £459m in 20/21 and 21/22 seasons.

44 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Or how to stop players and/or agents demanding huge bonuses for doing their jobs.

As bad as bankers......

In fairness, they're not just doing their jobs, they're excelling at their jobs by gaining promotion and earning their club in excess of a £100m. If you're on of a number of players who earn your club a £100m bonus, it's not unreasonable to expect to share a £10-20m share of that money. Where it becomes irresponsible, is when these players earn vast fortunes for achieving nothing.

It looks bad on promoted clubs' accounts during their promotion season but these bonuses are paid out against future earnings in the Premier. I suppose that the EFL must take these bonuses off the clubs' losses when assessing for FFP. However, the Premier league will include these losses when they assess the clubs in future seasons.

11 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

They will be quite a way off. The wage bill from last season will be in excess of £20m and if it isn’t then I would be surprised to see it any less than £18m. 

Typical rule of thumb is 70% towards first-team costs, so that’s between £12-14m for us.

The first team squad wage bill was only £7m, the rest of the wages in 22/23 was not first team player related, probably made up from coaching staff, admin, Moor Farm staff and young players, matchday staff, etc. Allowing for a modest increase, 23/24 first team wage bill should be around £10m.

Maybe he'd be in the squad if he'd had an impressive season in a promotion winning team, rather than a struggling relegation team?

26 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Did the king of Spain open their stadium.

He didn't open Pride Park, either.😉

16 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

He doesn’t score goals, where would they come from in our midfield?

Adams only that one goal last season, but he's had a number of goal bound shots blocked by excellent defending. 

He seems to have good technique and could have easily ended with 4 or 5 goals to his name. None of his attempts were corner flag jobs, all had pace and accuracy.

A bit of rub of the green and I could see him with 8 to 10 goals over a season.

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

That’s right , they have to sell another £50 mill player before the end of June . However , having an owner with unlimited funds they can spend £100 mill after July and get away with it , similar to Newcastle . Man C are the biggest P takers . All their trophies should be put in the Bin .

Unfortunately, that's the flaw in the system, although a club can 'only' lose £35m per season, there is nothing to stop them spending £200m on players for the season as long as they offload enough players after the season finishes and before their year end on 30th June. So, if the owner has megabucks, they can effectively operate during the actual playing season at a massive loss, several times the supposed limit. It would only fall apart if their players were to consistantly to fall in value massively.

It would be interesting to read Bayern's forums and see what their fans think about appointing a manager from a club just relegated from the Premier league.