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Have you noticed from the above clip, that at least three Derby players were having their shirts held, and at one brief point a Preston player had his arm across Beilek's throat!!
And look how high Curtis gets to put in the header - he looks as if he's another 3 feet higher than anyone else

Have you noticed from the above clip, that at least three Derby players were having their shirts held, and at one brief point a Preston player had his arm across Beilek's throat!!
And look how high Curtis gets to put in the header - he looks as if he's another 3 feet higher than anyone else

Did anyone else notice that following the tackle and sending off of bird, the ball had burst, and was replaced?
Did the sound of the bursting ball enhance the thought that the tackle was harder than it looked?

Did anyone else notice that following the tackle and sending off of bird, the ball had burst, and was replaced?
Did the sound of the bursting ball enhance the thought that the tackle was harder than it looked?

Ok so after reading the statement tonight I went away and gathered my thoughts. I think how I feel about this is quite different to others, but I hope people can read it and understand where I’m coming from. I have no positive conclusions, and I get some people aren’t really up for something like this so if it’s you then feel free to ignore this post and read on. It’s going to be long, unapologetically ponderous and contain atleast one swear word! Also I’ll be the first to admit, what I think is going on has swung wildly throughout this thread, so I’m not saying I’m 100% correct.
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My main point I want to get over here, is that I’m very concerned that Derby (anything connected to the club or the community) has found itself in the middle of a pissing contest between a lot of rich men. We were warned about this happening way back at the start of administration, by Mel in his interview with Ed Dawes and I think by Q early on too. That a lot of interest is expressed by people and you’ve got to shift through the chancers essentially. The one thing that seems weird to say at the minute is that Derby County is a huge club, and there are people out there trying to snatch us on the cheap and are trying to upset the process to put themselves in pole position without having the best offer.
Now let’s look at the culprits who’ve been involved:
Mel Morris- Now Mel’s the biggest and most important one, but there are key differences here to everyone else involved. One is that Mel has been involved in the pissing contest for *years* now with the EFL, but also he’s upfront his involvement. Many won’t like this, but I do think Mel is somewhat sceptical by some of those in the bidding process and whether they are right for the club and so are the admins. I’ll be clear, im not ‘pro-Mel’ and hope my past posts would be enough to prove that! He’s the one who’s got us in the mess and this is all his doing, but I think hes aware of that fact and is trying to do the right deal with the right person. It’s not nice for us, but I can’t see how Mel’s current position works in any other way? I have said this repeatedly but Mel loses a lot more than just money if no deal is made, but if it goes to the wrong person he also loses out. Him and the admins need the right deal here which isn’t easy.
Chris Kirchner- He may be out of the race and shouting from the sidelines but he’s been a problem for a long time. First he went about cooing Rooney but then was rattling off on Twitter until recently. He tried to be clever and gain an advantage, it didn’t work and went after the administrators. It didn’t help anything. Essentially I think he showed himself up and we became wary.
The Binnies- Bit more of an interesting on this I think, but it’s a similar pattern, came out guns blazing about their bid, all goes quiet and then blame the administrators. But I think the important thing with The Binnies, Kirchner and Ashley is that the see a club with top facilities, the potential to grow and everything else and want it on the cheap. When they don’t have a strong enough plan in how to achieve that potential then they fall short in the eyes of the admins and Morris.
Mike Ashley - The most well known and currently the one trying to pull everything in his favour. No care for anything else, he’s interested in Derby the asset and not the club. Everyone is reluctant to deal with him but if all else fails he will still be there willing to pay the lowest price possible. 
Steve Gibson and Couhig- This is old ground we don’t really want to get into, but they caused a major blockage in this and caused damage to the club. Why? Because they could.
There are more minor players involved too, ‘the itk game’ on social media of people putting confusing and unhelpful info out there which is slanted to agenda which is usually ‘Mel is bad’. Which I get, fully, but to what end is that helpful to the position the club is actually in? Journalists are doing it now too and it’s frankly confirmation bias for clicks. They are fuelling the fire to put everything in place to muddy the process, leaving it open to MA. Also don’t forget the role the EFL have had for years in this, but I think that’s down to just being useless more than anything 
Whilst everyone is trying to sort everything to their own means who’s left in the middle? The fans, the players, the management have taken hthe brunt of it. Arguably Q too, but frankly it’s their job to take it somewhat (All I’ll say about them is I think they got done over a bit when taking the job, but they have not helped themselves throughout this whole process). We are seeing the face of modern football for what it is, a contest played out on Twitter, in meeting rooms and through the press, between men for which have no passion for what football is.
Whats next? As I said at the start, there is no positive here. As fans we need to accept relegation and a likely points deduction but see the bigger picture. If you want to protest anything on Saturday then let it be about what these people have resorted this football club to. Expose the games they have played and the effects on the community around Derby County. I still think we will have a club at the end of this, but it is up to us to define what Derby County is and not anyone who takes us over.
Finally I didn’t include Appleby, that tweet came through just as I started writing this so decided to exclude him from my thinking. BUT FWIW his group was the one who haven’t really been involved so they don’t really fit in with what I’m saying!
Apologies for a long read, I’ve tried to spell/grammar check but if something doesn’t make sense I’ll try and clarify!

As a fan of 63 years, no ducker speaks for me.

I do admire the fans groups but wonder how they think they represent the rank and file of supporters. Recently somewhere I red that bawt have a committee of 13 "founder members" not elected but founder members but they post that should Morris, the stadium owner, be involved they would decide what to do next. Not in my name they will not and I suspect not in thousands of others. Why do they think that they speak for anybody but themselves when they have not even bothered to ask others?

I don't believe there is a conspiracy, I just think the referees are useless

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I live in Bramcote and about a 15 minute walk from Beeston town centre. My 4 (nearly 5) year old daughter is going to her second game, first one was Peterborough. She can’t wait. The indoctrination is going well so far. 
Anyway we’re not proper Nottingham, we’re border country, quite a few rams over our way. 

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

I'm taking my 6 year old grandson to his first Rams game.
He's got his scarf and flag, and although he lives in Beeston, Nott*****m, he is not a Forest fan, as every time he sees me he says, "I'll never support Forest, Grandad!!". That brings tears to my eyes.

It was printed at Northcliffe House on Albert Street.
As several others have previously mentioned, it came out between 5.30 pm and 6.00 pm, which was about the time I arrived back in Derby after the match to pick up the 'Green 'Un', then boarding the No.59 from Tenant Street up to Breadsall Hill Top Estate.
If the paper wasn't out, then I'd wait and then catch the Scarborough Rise bus, which I think went from the Bus Station(?).
I remember the day Derby gained promotion in 1969 and a woman on the bus asked how had they got on, and I just showed the front page to her, which said - PROMOTION, which had took 16 years from to get back to the top division.

It was printed at Northcliffe House on Albert Street.
As several others have previously mentioned, it came out between 5.30 pm and 6.00 pm, which was about the time I arrived back in Derby after the match to pick up the 'Green 'Un', then boarding the No.59 from Tenant Street up to Breadsall Hill Top Estate.
If the paper wasn't out, then I'd wait and then catch the Scarborough Rise bus, which I think went from the Bus Station(?).
I remember the day Derby gained promotion in 1969 and a woman on the bus asked how had they got on, and I just showed the front page to her, which said - PROMOTION, which had took 16 years from to get back to the top division.

It was printed at Northcliffe House on Albert Street.
As several others have previously mentioned, it came out between 5.30 pm and 6.00 pm, which was about the time I arrived back in Derby after the match to pick up the 'Green 'Un', then boarding the No.59 from Tenant Street up to Breadsall Hill Top Estate.
If the paper wasn't out, then I'd wait and then catch the Scarborough Rise bus, which I think went from the Bus Station(?).
I remember the day Derby gained promotion in 1969 and a woman on the bus asked how had they got on, and I just showed the front page to her, which said - PROMOTION, which had took 16 years from to get back to the top division.

Luton since 57 in peace.  Rams fans going tomorrow keep an eye out for our very large banner re Fxxx the FA 2008 - when Mawhinney deducted us 30 pts knowing it would relegate us to Conference.  No EFL teams supported us, so know how your situation feels.  Best of luck against everyone except us, as we want to shock all those “big” clubs WBA, Stoke etc who claim they should never lose “to teams like Luton” - hear it after every match.  Seems unlikely Snodgrass signed in time to play tomorrow. Anyway, cannot you overtake Reading - the most soulless visit in the Championship.

I understand its to promote the new TV series, however, do you think by associating a football club with a group of gangsters is good for the image of football, in this day and age?
And besides, when did Small Heath Alliance FC get promoted to the Championship? Was it in the same way as Wycombe Wanderers move up two seasons ago?