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"I am 100% sure we won't be relegated"

There are other managers that haven't afforded teams the miracle transformation the fans expected. Or if it has happened, like with Rooney it's not lasted. There is no 'magic spell' of transformation. If the squad isn't good enough it will get found out, at whatever level is being played. For me contrary to what some are saying, Rooney at least does make changes during games when things don't go as expected - but that also is within the limits of a small squad, no good calling for subs when they're less experienced/reliable than what's on the pitch! He has shown he knows what to do, for me what remains is having the players to attempt that - he deserves that chance.
I love Mac's football to bits, but I cannot believe he would have got better results consistently from these players.

I think Rooney did make an immediate impact, we went on a run of 6W in 8 which got most of us thinking that our season had turned around, conceding 5 goals in 13 games after conceding 20 in the first 13 & getting 1 clean-sheet under Cocu.
What has been alarming is how quickly it all began to unravel again, a run of 1W in 11 & 6 goals scored in 10 games (7L). We are soft touch on the road, losing 6 out of the last 7. Others have flagged up some interesting criticism that Rooney began to change things too much after naming a settled line-up.
I mentioned Paul Cook in my first post because he hasn't had the desired impact Ipswich hoped - and he is an experienced manager. He hasn't been able to bring him any of his own players to play in his preferred style. Rooney had a transfer window but matters off-field meant he had to bring in loans, two of whom are PL reserves. Lee Bowyer has done better but he had Jutkiewicz and Hogan as experienced strikers.
I advocated  Mick McCarthy when things were desperate. He had just been appointed for a job in Cyprus so we will never know. As for yesterday, the commentator & pundit (Kevin Gallacher) I listened to mentioned one move involving Lawrence where he chose the wrong option. They both thought that is why he has remained in the Championship despite being a good player. 
A lack of attacking quality
There have been a lot of fine margins, but goals are what win games and 31 is a dreadful return. It's a squad game. Look at the BBC stats page for the Championship, browsing top assists, Huddersfield have a player on 7, Birmingham, Coventry & Wycombe have one each on 6 and even Sheff W have Windass on 5. There isn't a single Rams player listed. If correct, our joint top assists are Byrne & Waghorn on 3 with Buchanan on two. Harding of Rotherham is on 4.
Worst perfoming team in terms of chances created in open play
As pointed out, on whoscored, we are amongst the lowest ranked sides in terms of chances created from Open Play (14), Huddersfield have scored 30 by comparison. McCarthy tends to play direct effective football so set-pieces would have been important but do we really have players, even our attackers, capable of putting in good delivery?
Yes, some of them are probably underperforming for whatever reason, Jozwiak facing the challenge of coming to terms with a new league and the physical demands of it, but if we go down, it will be for a number of factors (injuries, inconsistency as mentioned by @RoyMac5) as well as the simple fact this squad lacked depth and cover and was not good enough especially in terms of goals created and scored. 
I really think few managers would turn this situation around &  I think your comments about McClaren are wishing thinking, but who knows? I think fatigue has also taken its toll on a thin squad, the likes of Knight has gone from being a manager's dream to losing both his place and the captaincy.

I think Rooney did make an immediate impact, we went on a run of 6W in 8 which got most of us thinking that our season had turned around, conceding 5 goals in 13 games after conceding 20 in the first 13 & getting 1 clean-sheet under Cocu.
What has been alarming is how quickly it all began to unravel again, a run of 1W in 11 & 6 goals scored in 10 games (7L). We are soft touch on the road, losing 6 out of the last 7. Others have flagged up some interesting criticism that Rooney began to change things too much after naming a settled line-up.
I mentioned Paul Cook in my first post because he hasn't had the desired impact Ipswich hoped - and he is an experienced manager. He hasn't been able to bring him any of his own players to play in his preferred style. Rooney had a transfer window but matters off-field meant he had to bring in loans, two of whom are PL reserves. Lee Bowyer has done better but he had Jutkiewicz and Hogan as experienced strikers.
I advocated  Mick McCarthy when things were desperate. He had just been appointed for a job in Cyprus so we will never know. As for yesterday, the commentator & pundit (Kevin Gallacher) I listened to mentioned one move involving Lawrence where he chose the wrong option. They both thought that is why he has remained in the Championship despite being a good player. 
A lack of attacking quality
There have been a lot of fine margins, but goals are what win games and 31 is a dreadful return. It's a squad game. Look at the BBC stats page for the Championship, browsing top assists, Huddersfield have a player on 7, Birmingham, Coventry & Wycombe have one each on 6 and even Sheff W have Windass on 5. There isn't a single Rams player listed. If correct, our joint top assists are Byrne & Waghorn on 3 with Buchanan on two. Harding of Rotherham is on 4.
Worst perfoming team in terms of chances created in open play
As pointed out, on whoscored, we are amongst the lowest ranked sides in terms of chances created from Open Play (14), Huddersfield have scored 30 by comparison. McCarthy tends to play direct effective football so set-pieces would have been important but do we really have players, even our attackers, capable of putting in good delivery?
Yes, some of them are probably underperforming for whatever reason, Jozwiak facing the challenge of coming to terms with a new league and the physical demands of it, but if we go down, it will be for a number of factors (injuries, inconsistency as mentioned by @RoyMac5) as well as the simple fact this squad lacked depth and cover and was not good enough especially in terms of goals created and scored. 
I really think few managers would turn this situation around &  I think your comments about McClaren are wishing thinking, but who knows? I think fatigue has also taken its toll on a thin squad, the likes of Knight has gone from being a manager's dream to losing both his place and the captaincy.

I think Rooney did make an immediate impact, we went on a run of 6W in 8 which got most of us thinking that our season had turned around, conceding 5 goals in 13 games after conceding 20 in the first 13 & getting 1 clean-sheet under Cocu.
What has been alarming is how quickly it all began to unravel again, a run of 1W in 11 & 6 goals scored in 10 games (7L). We are soft touch on the road, losing 6 out of the last 7. Others have flagged up some interesting criticism that Rooney began to change things too much after naming a settled line-up.
I mentioned Paul Cook in my first post because he hasn't had the desired impact Ipswich hoped - and he is an experienced manager. He hasn't been able to bring him any of his own players to play in his preferred style. Rooney had a transfer window but matters off-field meant he had to bring in loans, two of whom are PL reserves. Lee Bowyer has done better but he had Jutkiewicz and Hogan as experienced strikers.
I advocated  Mick McCarthy when things were desperate. He had just been appointed for a job in Cyprus so we will never know. As for yesterday, the commentator & pundit (Kevin Gallacher) I listened to mentioned one move involving Lawrence where he chose the wrong option. They both thought that is why he has remained in the Championship despite being a good player. 
A lack of attacking quality
There have been a lot of fine margins, but goals are what win games and 31 is a dreadful return. It's a squad game. Look at the BBC stats page for the Championship, browsing top assists, Huddersfield have a player on 7, Birmingham, Coventry & Wycombe have one each on 6 and even Sheff W have Windass on 5. There isn't a single Rams player listed. If correct, our joint top assists are Byrne & Waghorn on 3 with Buchanan on two. Harding of Rotherham is on 4.
Worst perfoming team in terms of chances created in open play
As pointed out, on whoscored, we are amongst the lowest ranked sides in terms of chances created from Open Play (14), Huddersfield have scored 30 by comparison. McCarthy tends to play direct effective football so set-pieces would have been important but do we really have players, even our attackers, capable of putting in good delivery?
Yes, some of them are probably underperforming for whatever reason, Jozwiak facing the challenge of coming to terms with a new league and the physical demands of it, but if we go down, it will be for a number of factors (injuries, inconsistency as mentioned by @RoyMac5) as well as the simple fact this squad lacked depth and cover and was not good enough especially in terms of goals created and scored. 
I really think few managers would turn this situation around &  I think your comments about McClaren are wishing thinking, but who knows? I think fatigue has also taken its toll on a thin squad, the likes of Knight has gone from being a manager's dream to losing both his place and the captaincy.

Not sure there is anyway of coming up with anything definitive, management not great, players not great is my take on things...

I don't know, there's more to a team than it being the sum of its parts. We have the more gifted individuals, but do they/can they play as a team? You may argue, and quite rightly, that they appeared to do so when Bielik was in the side. We have got some of our better results against the better sides. Rotherham haven't beaten a side ranked 10th or higher. Yet they have beaten the sides in/around them when it mattered including a double over us.
Your comment skirts dangerously close to complacency. There are plenty of sides who remain in divisions as opposed to sides with better players/bigger budgets, precisely because they function as a team. It was a miracle that Wycombe got promoted in the first instance as they already possessed one of the lowest budgets in L1.
There's a view that we are one of the biggest underachievers in the division alongside Forest and the likes of Blackburn. I actually think our squad and players are not as good as we think they are or some of them think themselves to be. Some are carrying injuries (Wisdom), others are talented & young but inconsistent, we have scored 31 goals, the lowest in the division. That is a combination of a lack of creativity (the amount of chances created) and clinical finishing. We have failed to score in 20/42 games (48%). Bielik perhaps was the only midfielder able to offer a different outlet, switching the play.
Apart from the top six, most sides in this division are evenly matched. The fact is that we haven't performed against sides in/around us at times and the points dropped against the likes of Coventry may come to haunt us. We haven't been always professional when it was required or ensured we at least left with a point. 
Rooney has been a big disappointment in how he has managed this side over the past couple of months, but I don't think anybody else would have extracted a whole lot more out of this squad - and I include Paul Cook who I wanted as manager. He's struggled to turn Ipswich around, 2W in 11 and failing to score in 5 of the last 6. They are one of the lowest scorers in L1 & Cook tends to have a reputation as a manager who likes to play attacking football.
I think others described Rooney's impact well @Rammy03. Rooney got us to be more solid and nick wins. But once this gave way, and CKR became less effective (injury), the old problem of lack of goals came back to haunt us. Six in 10 games tells it own story.

I don't know, there's more to a team than it being the sum of its parts. We have the more gifted individuals, but do they/can they play as a team? You may argue, and quite rightly, that they appeared to do so when Bielik was in the side. We have got some of our better results against the better sides. Rotherham haven't beaten a side ranked 10th or higher. Yet they have beaten the sides in/around them when it mattered including a double over us.
Your comment skirts dangerously close to complacency. There are plenty of sides who remain in divisions as opposed to sides with better players/bigger budgets, precisely because they function as a team. It was a miracle that Wycombe got promoted in the first instance as they already possessed one of the lowest budgets in L1.
There's a view that we are one of the biggest underachievers in the division alongside Forest and the likes of Blackburn. I actually think our squad and players are not as good as we think they are or some of them think themselves to be. Some are carrying injuries (Wisdom), others are talented & young but inconsistent, we have scored 31 goals, the lowest in the division. That is a combination of a lack of creativity (the amount of chances created) and clinical finishing. We have failed to score in 20/42 games (48%). Bielik perhaps was the only midfielder able to offer a different outlet, switching the play.
Apart from the top six, most sides in this division are evenly matched. The fact is that we haven't performed against sides in/around us at times and the points dropped against the likes of Coventry may come to haunt us. We haven't been always professional when it was required or ensured we at least left with a point. 
Rooney has been a big disappointment in how he has managed this side over the past couple of months, but I don't think anybody else would have extracted a whole lot more out of this squad - and I include Paul Cook who I wanted as manager. He's struggled to turn Ipswich around, 2W in 11 and failing to score in 5 of the last 6. They are one of the lowest scorers in L1 & Cook tends to have a reputation as a manager who likes to play attacking football.
I think others described Rooney's impact well @Rammy03. Rooney got us to be more solid and nick wins. But once this gave way, and CKR became less effective (injury), the old problem of lack of goals came back to haunt us. Six in 10 games tells it own story.

I don't know, there's more to a team than it being the sum of its parts. We have the more gifted individuals, but do they/can they play as a team? You may argue, and quite rightly, that they appeared to do so when Bielik was in the side. We have got some of our better results against the better sides. Rotherham haven't beaten a side ranked 10th or higher. Yet they have beaten the sides in/around them when it mattered including a double over us.
Your comment skirts dangerously close to complacency. There are plenty of sides who remain in divisions as opposed to sides with better players/bigger budgets, precisely because they function as a team. It was a miracle that Wycombe got promoted in the first instance as they already possessed one of the lowest budgets in L1.
There's a view that we are one of the biggest underachievers in the division alongside Forest and the likes of Blackburn. I actually think our squad and players are not as good as we think they are or some of them think themselves to be. Some are carrying injuries (Wisdom), others are talented & young but inconsistent, we have scored 31 goals, the lowest in the division. That is a combination of a lack of creativity (the amount of chances created) and clinical finishing. We have failed to score in 20/42 games (48%). Bielik perhaps was the only midfielder able to offer a different outlet, switching the play.
Apart from the top six, most sides in this division are evenly matched. The fact is that we haven't performed against sides in/around us at times and the points dropped against the likes of Coventry may come to haunt us. We haven't been always professional when it was required or ensured we at least left with a point. 
Rooney has been a big disappointment in how he has managed this side over the past couple of months, but I don't think anybody else would have extracted a whole lot more out of this squad - and I include Paul Cook who I wanted as manager. He's struggled to turn Ipswich around, 2W in 11 and failing to score in 5 of the last 6. They are one of the lowest scorers in L1 & Cook tends to have a reputation as a manager who likes to play attacking football.
I think others described Rooney's impact well @Rammy03. Rooney got us to be more solid and nick wins. But once this gave way, and CKR became less effective (injury), the old problem of lack of goals came back to haunt us. Six in 10 games tells it own story.

I have been underwhelmed with our form over the last 10+ games (7L, 5 out of six away). He inherited a poor situation, his press conferences were refreshing with his transparent honesty, but his managerial tenure is beginning to resemble his impact here as a player. Better than we hoped for before a dramatic tail-off into our worst fears.
Huddersfield have taken the lead as I write. Yesterday was the first time when I didn't believe him, i.e.  his comments about telling us not to panic. I listened to BBC Lancashire's coverage and after the late penalty appeal, Rooney & the coaching team raced to the referee to ask him about it.
The BBC Lancs commentator summed it up: "What's the point? It's gone."
It sounded like the act of a desperate manager. A natural response but a desperate one.

I've found very little to be right about.. 
I badly wanted Cocu with his sophisticated, international pedigree to be a huge success. Wrong. Then we tried to hang on with him too long. Wrong. Thought even so his style of football would be something worth waiting for. Wrong.
Believed no way CKR was a decent striker. Wrong, he led the line valiantly at times. Thought how can Rooney fail as a player with his winning attitude. Wrong. Hated the idea of him as manager, going to be a disaster. Wrong, went on a great run. Thought he was pretty personality-less, wrong. He started to come across well in interviews and after being so anti his appointment I had to say he deserved a chance. 
Mel finally manages to secure investment that I couldn't believe was a total hoax, there seemed no way he could be conned to give a say in decisions to a group of chancers - trick me once shame on you, errr trick me 3 or 4 times then shame ain't the word! 
Rooney then oversees a group of games so terribly dull and insipid that I can't recall ever being so bored by a Derby team. Results go off a cliff. CKR is every bit the 'couldn't hit a barn door' journeyman I thought he would be. 
I'm struggling to get any pleasure from Derby full stop. Terribly frustrating and like a nightmare you can't wake up from.  Relegation may be the reset we need but I fail to see how playing Fleetwood etc is going to get us in the Premier League.
Limping over the finish line, fourth bottom and giving Rooney the job feels equally depressing too...but I've been wrong before!!! 
 

Other than Florist trolls, I don't think any true Rams fan that contributes to this forum wants the team to fail. If I am included in your doom monger classification I would counter that I am pragmatic and a realist. I hate the term but the so called 'happy clappers' on here who keep posting along the lines '100% not going down', 'we will be safe with 3 games to play', 'we will win our easy games away at Blackburn and Preston' are just not seeing it as it is......burying their head in the sand......just take a look at the table and the fact we have won one game in eleven.....I take no enjoyment out of that whatsoever. I have followed the Rams since I was four living down in Cornwall, no links to Derby. Travelled home and away in the 80's, had Rams weekenders with my son staying over after away games when he was a lad and now travel 120 mile round trips to home games and invested a lot of time and money in the process. I think that gives me the right to express my views and say what I think, including the grave concerns I have at the moment. The last thing I want is for the Rams to do badly and any fan that says that to me can go forth and multiply..........

I think this season has been long in the making though I did hope we'd challenge but the EFL cup tie against Barrow was an early indicator. 
This week could possibly have been the most significant for us  in terms of how the relegation battle has turned against us - though if we go down, it has to do with a multitude of things, not one week. But it's the week where things are finally no longer in our hands unless we start winning ourselves: Coventry winning away, Rotherham winning their other midweek game &  Huddersfield possibly doing the same whilst we lost again.
It's been a body blow. I'm sure the other sides are aware of our form and know getting a good result of some sort will heap even more pressure on an out of form side.

I think this season has been long in the making though I did hope we'd challenge but the EFL cup tie against Barrow was an early indicator. 
This week could possibly have been the most significant for us  in terms of how the relegation battle has turned against us - though if we go down, it has to do with a multitude of things, not one week. But it's the week where things are finally no longer in our hands unless we start winning ourselves: Coventry winning away, Rotherham winning their other midweek game &  Huddersfield possibly doing the same whilst we lost again.
It's been a body blow. I'm sure the other sides are aware of our form and know getting a good result of some sort will heap even more pressure on an out of form side.

I think this season has been long in the making though I did hope we'd challenge but the EFL cup tie against Barrow was an early indicator. 
This week could possibly have been the most significant for us  in terms of how the relegation battle has turned against us - though if we go down, it has to do with a multitude of things, not one week. But it's the week where things are finally no longer in our hands unless we start winning ourselves: Coventry winning away, Rotherham winning their other midweek game &  Huddersfield possibly doing the same whilst we lost again.
It's been a body blow. I'm sure the other sides are aware of our form and know getting a good result of some sort will heap even more pressure on an out of form side.

I think this season has been long in the making though I did hope we'd challenge but the EFL cup tie against Barrow was an early indicator. 
This week could possibly have been the most significant for us  in terms of how the relegation battle has turned against us - though if we go down, it has to do with a multitude of things, not one week. But it's the week where things are finally no longer in our hands unless we start winning ourselves: Coventry winning away, Rotherham winning their other midweek game &  Huddersfield possibly doing the same whilst we lost again.
It's been a body blow. I'm sure the other sides are aware of our form and know getting a good result of some sort will heap even more pressure on an out of form side.

haha you sound like the captain of the titanic after hitting the iceberg!

I think this season has been long in the making though I did hope we'd challenge but the EFL cup tie against Barrow was an early indicator. 
This week could possibly have been the most significant for us  in terms of how the relegation battle has turned against us - though if we go down, it has to do with a multitude of things, not one week. But it's the week where things are finally no longer in our hands unless we start winning ourselves: Coventry winning away, Rotherham winning their other midweek game &  Huddersfield possibly doing the same whilst we lost again.
It's been a body blow. I'm sure the other sides are aware of our form and know getting a good result of some sort will heap even more pressure on an out of form side.

We are pathetic from the top of the tree to the bottom, the fact that we have to rely on other teams shows how poor we are.  We are going down sadly due to mismanagement at all levels.  It was coming from the way we finished last season.

The advantage of playing first over the weekend is that if you get some points it can have a demoralising effect on the other teams.
If, on the other hand, you turn in yet another egregious surrender, it energises the other teams.

For the first time this season he looked genuinely worried. I don't believe him when he says 'I am sure we won't go down.' He just has to say that because he can't go back on what he's said before

At the moment, I'd take their rubbish instead of our rubbish which is of even more threadbare quality!

I have been underwhelmed with our form over the last 10+ games (7L, 5 out of six away). He inherited a poor situation, his press conferences were refreshing with his transparent honesty, but his managerial tenure is beginning to resemble his impact here as a player. Better than we hoped for before a dramatic tail-off into our worst fears.
Huddersfield have taken the lead as I write. Yesterday was the first time when I didn't believe him, i.e.  his comments about telling us not to panic. I listened to BBC Lancashire's coverage and after the late penalty appeal, Rooney & the coaching team raced to the referee to ask him about it.
The BBC Lancs commentator summed it up: "What's the point? It's gone."
It sounded like the act of a desperate manager. A natural response but a desperate one.

I have been underwhelmed with our form over the last 10+ games (7L, 5 out of six away). He inherited a poor situation, his press conferences were refreshing with his transparent honesty, but his managerial tenure is beginning to resemble his impact here as a player. Better than we hoped for before a dramatic tail-off into our worst fears.
Huddersfield have taken the lead as I write. Yesterday was the first time when I didn't believe him, i.e.  his comments about telling us not to panic. I listened to BBC Lancashire's coverage and after the late penalty appeal, Rooney & the coaching team raced to the referee to ask him about it.
The BBC Lancs commentator summed it up: "What's the point? It's gone."
It sounded like the act of a desperate manager. A natural response but a desperate one.

Why are we all saying its in our hands? It most certainly is not.
I know what you're saying, if we get some results we will stay up. If we don't we could go down.
But by the definition of the phrase, its not in our hands. If our rivals win all their games, it is mathematically impossible to stay up, even if we win all of ours.
That's the frustrating thing about our situation, that is it not ours to lose anymore.