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Not really addressing this point, but i kept getting distracted with the number of times during the Winkleman said "Harry & Paul" in the narration, I kept expecting these two to turn up...

As our new investor when it's revealed that he spent the couple of million he stole from us on some crazy high risk bets and won, before finally feeling a pang of guilt and deciding to make amends.

The history books show that to be the case, but these days it would have been attributed to an OG from the keeper.

The way it's presented by some it's almost as if we had to 'settle' for signing Washington. ...but he was signed by our current manager for that very 'struggling Championship clu' with the aim of building a team capable of staying up, so surely he's seen as (and should be capable of being) more than a 'squad fiiller' at this level? Christ I don't know why it took me so many edits to word that how I wanted.

Did they actually though? Or did they just say he'd been disappointing / poor when playing a wing back role which didn't suit him, while being critical of his defensive work (neither of which he's asked to do here). Back to Moxon there was one post on that site which wasn't trying to attribute the poor form to things going on above him, but it's hard to know whether it was cutting through the s*** to find the truth or adding another unfounded theory. The post suggested that Leaue One football was simply a step too far for him, that it's too quick for him.

A big black mark against his mentality and ability to deal with pressure then. Carlisle are his hometown club and he's talked of the great debt he owes to Simpson, but the prospect of a move to a team at the sharp end of League One makes him perform so poorly that some of the fans effusive with praise regarding his performances last season would happily get rid of him because they think they can do better?

Not sure where this idea that people don't understand that there are 11 opposition players on the pitch comes from, that it's inevitable the other team will have a good spell / throw everything at you when you're in the lead, and that there's nothing you can do to stop it. I've watched Derby put out pee poor performances too many times to count over the years, seen many matches where we've been dominated from first whistle to last without looking like we could lay a glove on the opposition, read countless posts to that effect from people complaining that we were toothless, offered no threat in games, were lacking effort etc. People said it plenty under Cocu. Yet when the shoe's on the other foot...

Await similar responses to CBT when we're not a team set up to allow him the far more shots than his ability deserves.

Without the class. He shoots a lot and he scores a lot via the brute force method... at League One level. Stat-boosted individually yet never a critical part of a team achieving more than their individual talent deserves. A central midfield version of Thomas Ince. Avoid.

Isn't that what we signed Fornah to be?

Decided to try a different approach to watching Derby tonight, watxh the entire game with earphones in, just before Collins scored the pre-chorus of this kicked in...

I actually like Elder and think he will come good. Just not under Warne and in the way he's played.

Will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever happen under Warne. I'm not even saying that negatively, it just isn't what he values in a midfielder.

...yet those posters will bemoan his automated contract extension when/if it happens and use it as an excuse for Warne not having the team he wants.

Lovely to win but bloody hell if it was left to players Warne brought in Vs those already here he wouldn't be in a job Yet there are people who believe that it's signings made before his time holding him back.

Even if we win it this has been absolutely f****** w*** since we went 2 up

Alright mate. There's opinion and there's trawling, more commonly known as trolling. Warne has had other opportunities to change to Vickers. Posts like this only put another round in the chamber for the Warne-in absolvers to turn into Warne-out revolvers. Or something.

T shirt, jumper, hoodie and coat and a willy hat for me.

...but so what if you didn't stay up? There's no great shame in it. If you can't afford to stay up without cheating, or find a way to compete above your budget then that's just the way it is. We've both completed 120 seasons, with 50.8% of Derby's in the top flight, 47.5% of Forest's. That to me says what our natural level is. There's little reason you couldn't find yourself back up there soon afterwards if managed correctly. Coming back down to the Championship with a load of parachute payments, keeping hold of a few players who show themselves capable of making the step up and 'going again', evolving the squad over time, buying well, is an acceptable method of natural growth. Not easy but doable. Instead you (not you specifically) acted like Forest had some god given right to compete in the Premier League at the first attempt, despite a 20+ year absence.

Think it needs to be more than -10 to do 'em over tbf. Unfortunately.

Neither for or against, I just thought the bit of your post I bolded was worthy of investigation so thought I'd look into it. Ah yeah, I knew there would be some faults somewhere. The wiki pages for a couple of seasons just cover 'the football league' rather than being division specific and I've copied he wrong section. There's another slight error where I've forgotten to highlight a cell so it isn't represented in the final summation. I wasn't actually going to go that far back initially. The wider point still applies though, a higher proportion of teams promoted from League One over the past 20 seasons have found themselves playing above this level in the medium/long term than those who've found themselves back at this level or lower, and if you look at the teams and consider their style of play then most of them haven't gone up by playing what you'd describe as attritional League One football.

P'raps someone in the rumour-chain got confused and meant this Divin guy, when we were linked with the other Divin guy. EIther that or re reall are working backwards down a list of first names, I mean we've already got Tyrese & Tyreece...

Done OK but hasn't really showed anything to suggest he'd have displaced Collins, NML (or anyone else) as a starter had he been fit. Similar to how Elder hasn't really shown that he'd have got in ahead of Forsyth. Not that it isn't good to have strength in depth / options, but committing a (potential) future fee and a whatever wages we needed to offer to get him away from a Championship club (albeit Rotherham) may not have been the best move, all told.

It's a slow day at work (tbh it's been a slow year so far) so.... OK, Done! There have been 40 different teams promoted from League One in the past 20 seasons. 26 of these teams currently find themselves playing at Championship level or above (8x Prem, 18x Champ) with 14 at League One Level or below (8x L1, 3x L2, 3x National League) CH or > - Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, Luton Town, Nottingham Forest, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Sheffield United, Blackburn Rovers, Bristol City, Coventry City, Huddersfield Town, Hull City, Ipswich Town, Leeds United, Leicester City, Millwall, Norwich City, Plymouth Argyle, Preston North End, Rotherham United, Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton, Sunderland, Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion L1 or < - Barnsley, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Burton Albion, Charlton Athletic, Peterborough United, Wigan Athletic, Wycombe Wanderers, Colchester, Doncaster Rovers, Milton Keynes Dons, Scunthorpe United, Southend, Yeovil Town. Teams who've been promoted but relegated after their 1st season - Charlton, Doncaster, MK Dons, Peterborough (x2), Rotherham (x2) Scunthorpe, Southend, Wigan (x2), Wycombe, Yeovil. Teams who've been promoted but relegated after their 2nd season - Barnsley, Burton, Colchester, Luton, Peterborough, Scunthorpe Just from that limited info I wouldn't say that most of the teams coming back down within/after 2 seasons struggled in the Championship because of their style of play resembles that of the stereotypical League One team?

You missed out a word. League. We're having this league.