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Isn't that what we signed Fornah to be?

Decided to try a different approach to watching Derby tonight, watxh the entire game with earphones in, just before Collins scored the pre-chorus of this kicked in...

I actually like Elder and think he will come good. Just not under Warne and in the way he's played.

Will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever happen under Warne. I'm not even saying that negatively, it just isn't what he values in a midfielder.

...yet those posters will bemoan his automated contract extension when/if it happens and use it as an excuse for Warne not having the team he wants.

Lovely to win but bloody hell if it was left to players Warne brought in Vs those already here he wouldn't be in a job Yet there are people who believe that it's signings made before his time holding him back.

Even if we win it this has been absolutely f****** w*** since we went 2 up

Alright mate. There's opinion and there's trawling, more commonly known as trolling. Warne has had other opportunities to change to Vickers. Posts like this only put another round in the chamber for the Warne-in absolvers to turn into Warne-out revolvers. Or something.

T shirt, jumper, hoodie and coat and a willy hat for me.

...but so what if you didn't stay up? There's no great shame in it. If you can't afford to stay up without cheating, or find a way to compete above your budget then that's just the way it is. We've both completed 120 seasons, with 50.8% of Derby's in the top flight, 47.5% of Forest's. That to me says what our natural level is. There's little reason you couldn't find yourself back up there soon afterwards if managed correctly. Coming back down to the Championship with a load of parachute payments, keeping hold of a few players who show themselves capable of making the step up and 'going again', evolving the squad over time, buying well, is an acceptable method of natural growth. Not easy but doable. Instead you (not you specifically) acted like Forest had some god given right to compete in the Premier League at the first attempt, despite a 20+ year absence.

Think it needs to be more than -10 to do 'em over tbf. Unfortunately.

Neither for or against, I just thought the bit of your post I bolded was worthy of investigation so thought I'd look into it. Ah yeah, I knew there would be some faults somewhere. The wiki pages for a couple of seasons just cover 'the football league' rather than being division specific and I've copied he wrong section. There's another slight error where I've forgotten to highlight a cell so it isn't represented in the final summation. I wasn't actually going to go that far back initially. The wider point still applies though, a higher proportion of teams promoted from League One over the past 20 seasons have found themselves playing above this level in the medium/long term than those who've found themselves back at this level or lower, and if you look at the teams and consider their style of play then most of them haven't gone up by playing what you'd describe as attritional League One football.

P'raps someone in the rumour-chain got confused and meant this Divin guy, when we were linked with the other Divin guy. EIther that or re reall are working backwards down a list of first names, I mean we've already got Tyrese & Tyreece...

Done OK but hasn't really showed anything to suggest he'd have displaced Collins, NML (or anyone else) as a starter had he been fit. Similar to how Elder hasn't really shown that he'd have got in ahead of Forsyth. Not that it isn't good to have strength in depth / options, but committing a (potential) future fee and a whatever wages we needed to offer to get him away from a Championship club (albeit Rotherham) may not have been the best move, all told.

It's a slow day at work (tbh it's been a slow year so far) so.... OK, Done! There have been 40 different teams promoted from League One in the past 20 seasons. 26 of these teams currently find themselves playing at Championship level or above (8x Prem, 18x Champ) with 14 at League One Level or below (8x L1, 3x L2, 3x National League) CH or > - Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, Luton Town, Nottingham Forest, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Sheffield United, Blackburn Rovers, Bristol City, Coventry City, Huddersfield Town, Hull City, Ipswich Town, Leeds United, Leicester City, Millwall, Norwich City, Plymouth Argyle, Preston North End, Rotherham United, Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton, Sunderland, Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion L1 or < - Barnsley, Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Burton Albion, Charlton Athletic, Peterborough United, Wigan Athletic, Wycombe Wanderers, Colchester, Doncaster Rovers, Milton Keynes Dons, Scunthorpe United, Southend, Yeovil Town. Teams who've been promoted but relegated after their 1st season - Charlton, Doncaster, MK Dons, Peterborough (x2), Rotherham (x2) Scunthorpe, Southend, Wigan (x2), Wycombe, Yeovil. Teams who've been promoted but relegated after their 2nd season - Barnsley, Burton, Colchester, Luton, Peterborough, Scunthorpe Just from that limited info I wouldn't say that most of the teams coming back down within/after 2 seasons struggled in the Championship because of their style of play resembles that of the stereotypical League One team?

You missed out a word. League. We're having this league.

It's pretty much irrelevant IMO how long other teams took to get themselves promoted, just as pointing toward poor results from other promotion contenders against weaker opposition shouldn't be used as an excuse for our own failure to beat the same team. Portsmouth losing to Cheltenham doesn't excuse our result against them when we played them. You can only look after your own results and performances, and you can only assess how you're performing in the league as it stands while you're in it. This league is undergoing a bit of an evolution from one in which 'footballing' teams struggle against less technical but more physical / dirty / time wasting, opposition to one where most teams try to play the ball on the floor but lack the quality to be effective at it. You can count on less than two hands the number of games we've had in League One where the opposition has matched the stereotypical idea of what we'd be facing. Sunderland/Ipswich/Forest/Leeds/Whoever being relegated to this league 5+ years ago faced different challenges to the ones we've faced when they came down simply because of the makeup of the league, and that's before considering they all needed to shift a lot of deadwood and change a losing mentality before they could start to rebuild - there are benefits to being built from scratch. It's probably not as straightforward as saying the league is 'the worst it ever has been" (although it's definitely worse than last season) but it's certainly different, and it actually suits us pretty well IMO. In some ways we're a bit of a throwback, somewhere between the 'traditional' idea of League One and the one it's evolving toward, so we can both outwork teams (not outfight, but we don't need to) and we also have the quality to outplay them when we decide to do that.

Puts him on 4 League One MOTM awards since he became a manager, nobody else has more in that time period. Some have a higher success rate of being awarded it, I'm actually surprised with 3 promotions to his name that he hasn't been given it even more often.

This is more what I had in mind, the most niche of niche puns!

I think we're a long way from willingly paying £1m even if we could. Besides, I think this guy is another who is clearly a good player but it doesn't really sound like he'd fit in with how Warne sets his midfield up. That is all to say, if we were signing him, it would not exactly bring me to Climax.

He would be at fault for using good amounts of what budget we did have in the summer window on players who have proven no better than what we already had. The money going out to Washington, Bradley, Ward, Fornah & Elder every week for minimal return on the pitch isn't exactly helping our chances of strengthening this month. Essentially we paid out wages on the higher end of the free transfer market for squad players, when perhaps cheaper alternatives could have done the same job as backups. Not that I'm saying I could name the other options, but then I'm not a scout.

He sounds / looks the epitome of the perfect Warne player to me

On yer bike, Son!

Perhaps we're trying to get him on the NHS?

Joe not Jordan.