ScubaRam

I personally don't see it as a left/right issue. The right are certainly more vocal when it comes to having their freedom of speech denied, but as we seen with the Joe Lycett on the BBC - The Daily Mail are then the first to engage in cancel culture themselves. 

We've got ourselves in a position where vocal grumps can't accept critism nor a differing view, and then start bashing their keyboards in protest. Sadly its more than social media - although its certainly given a platform to many who previously didn't have one. Even my old man struggles to get his head around how a Brexit supporting Tory has produced a Environment loving lefty. I can't mention anything political to him without him getting enraged. Its sad really and I just stay clear of those conversations now. 

A lot of people just like getting mad over things that they don't need to be, but I think news channels, radio stations and social media is all geared up to doing just that. 

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All vultures picking at the bones.

Agree 100%. Blaming the EFL is nothing less than falling for Mel Morris's propoganda. The accusations he made against the EFL were just a smokescreen put up to try and deflect the blame from himself. It amazes me that so many fans fell for it but I guess people often try and find a scapegoat when things go wrong...

I get that this is an opinion that many share on here, however in my opinion the situation we are in, is completely at the making of MM. I won't pretend that I know much about what is going on other that what I read about on here, but I cannot get my head around why MM was able to appoint the admins, and that MM is still able to hold so much weight on who takes over the club. 

Other than the inconsistences on how rules are applied / members able to sue one another, I don't think the EFL have done much wrong. I'm actually glad they are taking a lot stronger stance on Derby now and demanding to be part of the process, because quite frankly, I think Q have been a nightmare within this. I heard on Radio Derby an interview with another administrator during the early days of our admin, they said they held weekly press conferences. Q haven't communicated with the fans, allowed rumours to gather momentum, and are now threatening fans from the conversations they read about. Its crazy. 

I think the EFL or some kind or regulatory body needs to be part of any future administration process for any club going forward. Football clubs aren't like any other business. 

For what its worth I think I've lost faith in CK. I don't know the red tape side of things, but him posting all over Twitter and then going AWOL certainly hasn't helped matters. We the fans are the Tw*ts that go week in week out giving them our money and we've not been shown any respect by Q, CK or MM throughout all this. Its all mind games and its doing my head right it. Kinda like being a kid and seeing your parents arguing in the same room as you. 

Ah well. My thoughts on a Sunday evening. 

I get that this is an opinion that many share on here, however in my opinion the situation we are in, is completely at the making of MM. I won't pretend that I know much about what is going on other that what I read about on here, but I cannot get my head around why MM was able to appoint the admins, and that MM is still able to hold so much weight on who takes over the club. 

Other than the inconsistences on how rules are applied / members able to sue one another, I don't think the EFL have done much wrong. I'm actually glad they are taking a lot stronger stance on Derby now and demanding to be part of the process, because quite frankly, I think Q have been a nightmare within this. I heard on Radio Derby an interview with another administrator during the early days of our admin, they said they held weekly press conferences. Q haven't communicated with the fans, allowed rumours to gather momentum, and are now threatening fans from the conversations they read about. Its crazy. 

I think the EFL or some kind or regulatory body needs to be part of any future administration process for any club going forward. Football clubs aren't like any other business. 

For what its worth I think I've lost faith in CK. I don't know the red tape side of things, but him posting all over Twitter and then going AWOL certainly hasn't helped matters. We the fans are the Tw*ts that go week in week out giving them our money and we've not been shown any respect by Q, CK or MM throughout all this. Its all mind games and its doing my head right it. Kinda like being a kid and seeing your parents arguing in the same room as you. 

Ah well. My thoughts on a Sunday evening. 

You’re comparing a start up company with less than 100 employees against one of the UK’s biggest employers with about 50,000 employees that’s been going for the best part of 40 years.
Accept your opinion but I’d much prefer a zero hour contract that I’m aware of than not getting paid at all.
If CK does become our owner tomorrow then I hope that Derby fans pressure him to ensure the Slync staff are paid as a priority before signings. Somebody being able to put food on the table for their family is much more important than football and hopefully CK knows that. 
 

The grounds people and t'others will be still paid to complete a job. As it stands that job, like all seasons, is to prepare for the players return and the new season. They'll keep doing that until its completely tittyus uppius 

if i was mike ashley, id buy quantuma

Who’s played him as a fiddle?
I know Ed isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, he’s not really mine and I’ll criticise him where it’s appropriate, but today he did the right thing and it’s fair to give him credit where it’s due. Kirchner might not like it, Nixon might not like it but they were both sat on the information as to why the takeover had hit a snag, but because it didn’t suit their versions they were keeping quiet. 
Ed went OTT with his morning message yes, and it was classic Dawes, but because he did Nixon came out giving us what he knew all of a sudden. Simon Stone was tweeting to add pressure on. White and Jordan at the very least gave it national coverage and did speak to Kirchner. Dan Roan chased Kirchner across a well kept field! By midday at least the fans could paint a picture of what was happening and get a clearer view. How many times can we say we’ve been given that over the last 18 months. It’s not about good or bad news, it’s that we had a right to know what’s going on. Look on here today, no huge dramas or too much gloom, we chatted, debated and had a bit of a laugh about what was happening because at least we had a good idea what was happening. Imagine if we’d had another day of silence whilst Kirchner played golf, the fans deserved to know what was happening. 
Ed started to pull back a little after lunch, and so did Radio Derby on their news bulletins until sportscene. There Ed said pretty much everything he knew at that point, which was a changing story and that Ashley and Appleby were now in the background. 
He did well today and it gave the fans a clearer picture. It’s only right that we give credit where it’s due.

Ah, fair play to them. It'll be a long week at work, but we wasn't going to be in their division anyway. 

I hear what you are saying and I do agree. However, on the flip side we currently have ex owners who can and have ran the clubs into the ground, who then can appoint the admin. Quant haven't acted in the clubs best interests I don't feel like, however our ex owner, whose judgement I don't agree with, says these are the right people. That doesn't sit quite right with me also. There is a middle ground somewhere, I'm sure more people who know more than me on the matter can say where that is.  

I hear what you are saying and I do agree. However, on the flip side we currently have ex owners who can and have ran the clubs into the ground, who then can appoint the admin. Quant haven't acted in the clubs best interests I don't feel like, however our ex owner, whose judgement I don't agree with, says these are the right people. That doesn't sit quite right with me also. There is a middle ground somewhere, I'm sure more people who know more than me on the matter can say where that is.  

Haha. Maybe!

I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling MM and MA might have already done a deal for the stadium. MA didn't get the preferred bidder status which is fine, they just have to hold out. MM wants the stadium gone, so there is no interest in MM making a deal for the stadium with anyone else. This allows MM to continue to control the process.  When the 'Preferred Bidder' status expires MM and MA can resume and finalise. 

MA knows what he is doing. I can't see CK buying this club.  

Again, nowt to base this on, just my thoughts. 

 

Haha. Maybe!

I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling MM and MA might have already done a deal for the stadium. MA didn't get the preferred bidder status which is fine, they just have to hold out. MM wants the stadium gone, so there is no interest in MM making a deal for the stadium with anyone else. This allows MM to continue to control the process.  When the 'Preferred Bidder' status expires MM and MA can resume and finalise. 

MA knows what he is doing. I can't see CK buying this club.  

Again, nowt to base this on, just my thoughts. 

 

I agree with this. For what its worth I don't mind ED. Listening to other local radio stations, we could have done a lot worse! I think ED has received some unfair criticism in not getting information out there fast enough or after others. With WR in charge were going to have a national appeal so competing with the resources and contacts (?) of the big newspapers is always going to be hard. But as well as that, DCFC are a club that hides behind closed doors and statements. I like that ED cares, they do a good job for me. 

CC is a loss though. Heard him on 5live t'other day. Big shoes to fill. ? 

I agree with this. For what its worth I don't mind ED. Listening to other local radio stations, we could have done a lot worse! I think ED has received some unfair criticism in not getting information out there fast enough or after others. With WR in charge were going to have a national appeal so competing with the resources and contacts (?) of the big newspapers is always going to be hard. But as well as that, DCFC are a club that hides behind closed doors and statements. I like that ED cares, they do a good job for me. 

CC is a loss though. Heard him on 5live t'other day. Big shoes to fill. ? 

So much of this is factually incorrect it's hard to know where to start but here goes anyway:-
(1) The EFL don't sign off accounts - the club's auditors do. The independent panel found that Derby did not make their anomolous amortisation policy sufficiently clear at the time. That's why we were ultimately hit with a retrospective points deduction further down the line.
(2) We breached FFP in 3 of 4 consecutive periods. The sanction for this, according to EFL rules (that we signed up to!), is a points deduction. By the letter of the law the EFL could have legimately deducted between 14 and 17 points so we actually got off lightly with 9.
(3) There's no vendetta. Other clubs have also been hit with points deductions for breaching EFL rules e.g. Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan, Birmingham and Reading (and they also sing 'Duck the EFL'). Again, we signed up to these rules just like these other clubs did and they all knew the consequences of breaching them just like we did.
(4) The EFL were not in a position to do anything about the Boro (or Wycombe claim) - it was between the two clubs. It's unrealisic to except the EFL to take sides in a dispute between two member clubs. You're basically saying they should have taken Derby's side. The framework for football governance needs to be changed to prevent claims like Boro's being made going forward but that is not supported by the rules as they stand.
In summary, blaming the EFL is like blaming the breathlyser when you get done for drunk driving. It quite simply represents a complete failure to take responsibility for the club's own actions.
We may well be on the verge of liquidation. If this happens, this is down to our lifelong fan owner and no-one else.
Hopefully though, we are on the verge of a new era with Kirchner. He's on record as saying he wants a constructive relationship with the EFL. It's time to draw a line under this and stop blaming the EFL for Mel Morris's misdemeanours.
Let's not be that club any more. We're better than that. I sincerely hope...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I agree with this. For what its worth I don't mind ED. Listening to other local radio stations, we could have done a lot worse! I think ED has received some unfair criticism in not getting information out there fast enough or after others. With WR in charge were going to have a national appeal so competing with the resources and contacts (?) of the big newspapers is always going to be hard. But as well as that, DCFC are a club that hides behind closed doors and statements. I like that ED cares, they do a good job for me. 

CC is a loss though. Heard him on 5live t'other day. Big shoes to fill. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

Where do you stop when you start looking into someones (some business) past before judging them 'fit and proper'. 
Like has been mentioned, no one was bothered about when Chelsea was getting their money from until a white country (I say white man because some who are now outraged were fine when it was us bombing the **** out of middle eastern counties) started getting bombed. 

Do you spend your money at Shell - well there there are questions over their role and killings in the Niger Delta (Nigeria), clothing brands - sweatshops....your Apple phone (children mining gold & forced labour in China). I know this isn't something that you brought up, but more feeding into my wider point that it is not just a football world problem Western culture picks and chooses what it deems to be outraged at depending on which way the political wind is blowing. 

We have just got rid of a dodgy owner, no he doesnt contain a fraction of the dodginess as our chums down the A52. We can highlight this, but we're okay to look past other areas outside the footballing world when other dodgy things are carries out. 

I'm rambling and I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Haha. I just think the acceptance of ignoring things that aren't right runs throughout society, just people seem to be more bothered about it within football. hm.