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    curb reacted to Crewton in The Administration Thread   
    Firstly, what makes you think that the City Council would easily wave through the redevelopment of PP, even for residential development (which is questionable anyway, given what it's built on)? They've always said they wouldn't, and what seasoned developer is going to take a punt on that changing? The land alone isn't worth £21m without planning consent. 
    Secondly, fans were willing to pay £400 for seats from Upton Park because it was WHam's traditional home. I doubt you'd find many that would pay a tenner for a seat from the London Stadium. 
    Thirdly, only the East and West stands at Highbury were retained, and the redevelopment costs were substantial, but it was financially worthwhile because it was inner-city London right next to a tube station, not remediated industrial land at Wilmorton. 
    Without a tenant able to pay a rent, Pride Park makes no sense as a purchase - and what Derby fan (as David Clowes is reputed to be) would buy it in the knowledge that he might have to knock it down to get his money back? 
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    curb got a reaction from Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster in The Administration Thread   
    They don’t become free agents, their registration passes to the EFL who will sell them to pay football debts. 
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    curb reacted to duncanjwitham in The Administration Thread   
    He didn't carry on because the purchase is inextricably tied into Derby exiting admin.  It's all going to be done in one single group of transactions.  And there's always the chance that one of the alternate bidders wants the stadium themselves, in which case it's just made everything even more complicated if it's already been sold.
    And as for the second bit, just give over.  I know Morris has made a complete mess of things, but there's no way he's deliberately trying to destroy the club. He's spent a crazy amount of his own money over the last few years, it makes no sense.  As far as I'm concerned he probably bought us with fairly reasonable intentions, made a lot of bad decisions, got in over his head, and ran away.  That's it. No evil genius trying to destroy the club. No mastermind trying to rob the club of it's millions.  Just a load of stupid decisions in a row.
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    curb got a reaction from Ram-Alf in The Administration Thread   
    …..and, TL isn’t going to play for us again, so who cares?
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    curb got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    …..and, TL isn’t going to play for us again, so who cares?
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    curb got a reaction from Will Hughes Hair in The Administration Thread   
    Mr Ploppypratty will be disappointed he didn’t make the cut
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    curb reacted to G STAR RAM in The Administration Thread   
    Its a wonderful headline but what exactly are the 'secrets'?
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    curb reacted to FlyBritishMidland in The Administration Thread   
    Yes they have.  Except doing the one thing they’re supposed to be doing, and we’d like them to do, which is submit a bid.
    And that’s what I don’t get.  He may say he was to be named PB, which I think might have been suggested at the time, but the EFL put a block on any PB due to the MFC claim.  They wanted us to deal with that first and no one would take on the liability.  When that was done in mid-February and the bidding process opened again, according to reports MA didn’t bid.
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    curb got a reaction from Wolfie20 in The Administration Thread   
    Don’t bet on it!
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    curb got a reaction from Taribo in The Administration Thread   
    Don’t bet on it!
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    curb got a reaction from atherstoneram in The Administration Thread   
    Don’t bet on it!
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    curb got a reaction from I know nuffin in The Administration Thread   
    Don’t bet on it!
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    curb got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    1. There’s no point putting CK out of the running at this point, if he comes up with the goodies everything can be sorted pretty quickly.
    2. Another bidder offering less would take far longer to renegotiate creditors. If that was to happen the EFL would pull the plug.
    3. if Ashley wants the club then where’s his bid? As far as we know all he’s done so far is lurk in the shadows saying he’s ‘interested’.
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    curb got a reaction from kevinhectoring in The Administration Thread   
    Mr Ploppypratty will be disappointed he didn’t make the cut
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    curb reacted to May Contain Nuts in The Administration Thread   
    I'm assuming by Derby fans it means the drivelcore fanatics on social media platforms, not a considered consensus of those more in control of their mental faculties and in possession of the capability of critical thought.
    (if idiotic b******* was a musical style I'd call it drivelcore)
    Whether they've done wrong or not doesn't really seem to have any bearing on the lynch mob's level of confidence in them.
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    curb got a reaction from RoyMac5 in The Administration Thread   
    Mr Ploppypratty will be disappointed he didn’t make the cut
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    curb reacted to 1903 in Worst case scenario   
    Forgive me for barging in on your messageboard but I come in peace as a Bury fan. I have never posted on another club’s board before, this could be my first and last time. 
    Firstly, the very best of luck. In cases like this it’s the fans, the innocents in all this, who suffer. We feel your pain, we too have been through the mill and beyond. 
    Bury FC, the original club, were kicked out of L1 (having just won promotion) by the EFL in late August 2019,  about 3 weeks into the new season, our first half dozen fixtures were postponed so there was no record to expunge. The club was subsequently placed into administration. It remains in administration to this day but is effectively just a shell, awaiting ultimate liquidation with debts of over £12M. 
    If scenario 1 above had happened we would have been reinstated at tier 6 in the pyramid. It didn’t, scenario 2 happened, and a “Phoenix” club called Bury AFC was formed by the fans and funded by the fans. It was admitted into tier 10 of the pyramid, the lowest level under FA auspices. Last season, the first full covid free season, it won promotion losing only one game. The highest home crowd was 1,885, not huge but enormous in a league where 100 or so is the norm. We ground share with Radcliffe AFC, another non league club within the borough of Bury. 
    Bury AFC is not of course strictly speaking a Phoenix, but is referred to as such for ease of reference. It carries probably about 60pc of the original fan base. Not everyone has got on board but the majority have. The vibe is brilliant, partly as we are successful on the pitch of course, so never be afraid if this is your fate (it won’t be), you would still have a gas in “non league”, there are so many pluses compared to the EFL which make the match day experience highly enjoyable;  and with your fanbase you would quickly climb back up the pyramid. 

    A highly unexpected turn of events happened more recently when a very small group of Bury fans emerged from nowhere with no mandate from anyone, but having apparently got strong connections with the Conservative Party. With the help of a wealthy businessman-fan now living in the USA, and with the financial help of the government which has provided up to £1M of matched funding (“levelling up”?), and the potential help of the (Labour) council, that group of fans (calling themselves Est 1885, the date of the founding of the original club) managed to buy the ground Gigg Lane, which had been subject to a charge for a loan of some £3.5M, and had fallen into a state of some disrepair. So Est 1885 have a ground but no football club, and Bury AFC are a football club with no ground (of their own). Talks are ongoing between the two with a view to a merger down the line. 
    A word about the EFL. Yes as useless as a chocolate teapot but presumably facing the chop or severe reform following the government’s fan-led review. Remember the EFL is in essence the 72 clubs - it gets its power from the clubs, maybe it is useless because the clubs have only ever favoured light-touch regulation of themselves for obvious reasons, so have never given the EFL the powers it really needed to provide effective governance. 
    So the very best of luck and whatever happens - there is no need to despair. 
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    curb got a reaction from RipleyRich in The Administration Thread   
    They’re not there to make decisions for Quantuma, they’re there to monitor the situation to find out if there’s a chance of us completing next season before the fixtures come out. The only decision they can make is to take away the league membership or not, and they want to be able to make an informed decision without all the contradicting noises that surround us at the moment.
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    curb got a reaction from RipleyRich in Worst case scenario   
    There are a couple of small details you’re missing, the stadium sale has to happen at the same time as a takeover, No takeover, no ground to play in.
    Also we can’t sign players in Administration so would have 5 players to start the season, unless we sell them to fund the season, in which case we would have 0 players.
    It really is in the hands of the EFL, and they will decide if and when they take away the league membership.
    0 players playing in 0 stadium?
    That’s not going to be very watchable.
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    curb got a reaction from atherstoneram in The Administration Thread   
    They’re not there to make decisions for Quantuma, they’re there to monitor the situation to find out if there’s a chance of us completing next season before the fixtures come out. The only decision they can make is to take away the league membership or not, and they want to be able to make an informed decision without all the contradicting noises that surround us at the moment.
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    curb got a reaction from I know nuffin in The Administration Thread   
    They’re not there to make decisions for Quantuma, they’re there to monitor the situation to find out if there’s a chance of us completing next season before the fixtures come out. The only decision they can make is to take away the league membership or not, and they want to be able to make an informed decision without all the contradicting noises that surround us at the moment.
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    curb reacted to atherstoneram in The Administration Thread   
    The top and bottom of it is Ashley wasn't expecting anyone coming in and making an offer on the club,that thwarted his plans of picking the club up for peanuts,that's why he has been nibbling away at the EFL.
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    curb got a reaction from atherstoneram in The Administration Thread   
    They have to, they won’t let us start the season if we can’t prove that we can fulfil our fixtures.
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    curb got a reaction from RipleyRich in The Administration Thread   
    They have to, they won’t let us start the season if we can’t prove that we can fulfil our fixtures.
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    curb reacted to Red Ram in The Administration Thread   
    Exactly - it's patently obvious it's a structural problem. If you wanted to design a structure to encoruage owners to gamble recklessly on the future of their clubs, it's hard to think of a better one than the one we've currently got! The fundamental root cause of the problem is the very existence of the Premier League itself as a separate entity. Ideally it all needs bringing back under a single structure with one set of rules and one juristiction. That way, if clubs gamble with FFP and suceed in getting promotion, they'd still get a points deduction which would mean they'd almost certainly be coming straight back down. You could also say no parachute payments if you've broken FFP to get promoted. This would also make it harder for newly promoted clubs in breach of FFP to attact players because the players would know the club was almost certainly going down (due to the points deduction) and anyway, without the parachute payments the clubs would find it much harder to fund Premier League contracts.
    Unfortunately, the Premier League isn't going to be abolished any time soon for the very reason it was set up in the first place - the greed of the big clubs. So the next best option would be for an independent regulator, covering the whole of English football under a single umbrella, to impose a shared juristiction on both the Football League and the Premier League, with FFP penalties applying as indicated above even when you move between leagues.
    This would dramatically reduce the incentive for reckless spending on the basis that you'll get away with it if you get promoted because the best you're likely to get is a season like Derby had in 2006-2007. In other words, this would encourage owners to pursue incremental progress and sustainable growth rather than leading them down the gambler's fallacy path that Morris followed between 2014 and 2019.
     
     
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