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If he’d come in, maybe simplified things a bit, got a bit more movement out of the forwards, got the midfielders taking a few more risks on the ball etc, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Those tweaks, which I suspect Rosenior was probably trying to make most of anyway, would have made a big difference, while moving us slightly towards his preferred style of football.  And then in January and next summer, he can think about changing the squad to suit his style a bit more.
by coming in and literally tearing everything up and starting again, when the squad really wasn’t in that bad a place at all, it’s entirely his fault if it all goes pear-shaped.

If he’d come in, maybe simplified things a bit, got a bit more movement out of the forwards, got the midfielders taking a few more risks on the ball etc, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Those tweaks, which I suspect Rosenior was probably trying to make most of anyway, would have made a big difference, while moving us slightly towards his preferred style of football.  And then in January and next summer, he can think about changing the squad to suit his style a bit more.
by coming in and literally tearing everything up and starting again, when the squad really wasn’t in that bad a place at all, it’s entirely his fault if it all goes pear-shaped.

What’s hard to accept is that post-admin was the best chance we’ll ever have to let a manager build the squad he wants. No players hanging around from previous managers, no players that don’t want to be here, a chance to go and get whoever you want. And we’ve decided that after 10 games to bin all of that, and we’re now in exactly the same mess we’ve been in various stages of for the last decade or so.
We had almost no players a couple of months ago, and we’re already talking about clear outs and rebuilds and stuff. It’s monumentally bad management.

We're not talking about a "red-mist descends" type of red card, just that if he committed another foul in that game he was getting sent off.  As soon as he got moved to right wing-back, he got booked for hauling his winger down.  Immediately after that they ran at him again, and to be fair to Sibley he did very well to not commit a foul (even accidentally), but he was inches away from it.  If anything like that happened again, he was off. 
It's not Sibley's fault, it's Warne's for putting him in that position in the first place.

And this is the main problem. We hired the wrong manager as this squad is not suited to Warne's system. We had it before when we went from McClaren's attacking football, to Clement's possession based system, to Pearson's 442, to Rowett's defensive style, to Lampard's attacking football.
Every manager needed an overhaul of the squad which cost us in several ways.
Poorer finishing position - with squads adapting to new teammates and new styles of play An inflated wage bill - due to struggling to get rid of players not suited to the new style Lack of development of academy graduates - due to bloated squads Under Rosenior, we were outside of the playoffs on goal difference. It was clear we only needed 2 more players to make it work (RB and LW). Yet here we are, now probably 7 players shy of a squad Warne would like. Every week we're slowly drifting further away from the playoffs.
Rosenior also has the 2nd best win record and highest equivalent points per game record in our club's history. Only Ted Magner having a better record (excluding caretakers for 2 games or less).
Harsh on Walker, who must be doing something right as Warne has kept him on in the first team staff. Why does being a former academy coach mean he can't be a good first team coach? Jody Morris had an identical role at Chelsea to Walker, but the consensus being he was a good assistant for us. Brendan Rogers was Chelsea reserves manager, yet has gone on to win promotion to the PL with Swansea, won numerous titles in Scotland and won two titles with Leicester. Kieran McKenna was an U18 coach and Spurs and Man Utd before becoming Ipswich manager. There are doubles other examples out there.
Buxton was a temporary assistant until a decision was made on who the permanent manager was. A more attack minded assistant was needed, much like McClaren needed Simpson to offer balance.

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about the 2 post-match interviews on Radio Derby - Fozzy and Warne himself.  The Fozzy interview was weird, he sounded so demoralized, but the overriding impression was that the players clearly don't understand what they're being asked to do.  It sounded like the players were desperate for some guidance, but the only thing Warne could offer was telling them to run around more.  
And then Warne himself immediately comes out and says he takes full responsibility for the performance, and then spends the rest of the interview blaming the players for not running around enough and tackling enough.  There's clearly a massive disconnect between the squad and manager.

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about the 2 post-match interviews on Radio Derby - Fozzy and Warne himself.  The Fozzy interview was weird, he sounded so demoralized, but the overriding impression was that the players clearly don't understand what they're being asked to do.  It sounded like the players were desperate for some guidance, but the only thing Warne could offer was telling them to run around more.  
And then Warne himself immediately comes out and says he takes full responsibility for the performance, and then spends the rest of the interview blaming the players for not running around enough and tackling enough.  There's clearly a massive disconnect between the squad and manager.

I think it was Jake Caprice.
Clearly not, they were just well drilled and playing to their strengths.

IMO It's the style of play that's (mostly) causing all that other stuff though.  If you set the team up to just sling it forwards as much as possible, without any plan for what happens when it gets there, you get the situation we saw last night.  We're basically permanently in transition between attack and defence, because we never get set up, we just win it back, sling it forwards and lose it again.  The midfielders are torn between chasing the ball to win it back and funnelling back into position to set up to defend properly.  There's no structure to the team. One guy will go and press while the other guy has dropped back, so even if the first guy gets close to affect the play, a pass later he's completely out of the game because nobody else pressed at the same time, and now there's a big hole where the sole presser should have funnelled back to.
It's not players being lazy and weak, it's players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing.  You can't go and press if you don't know who to press, and you don't trust that the other guys on your team will go and press their men too.

(Paraphrasing...) "I accept responsibility that the players didn't run enough and didn't tackle enough" is not accepting responsibility, it's pretending to accept responsibility while lumping all the blame on the players.

The problem Bird was having under Rosenior was the lack of passing options in front of him.  Last season he had Ravel Morrison as a number 9 demanding the ball, Plange and Kazim dropping off the front showing for the ball, Knight drifting in from out wide, and even Lawrence showing for it at times. This season, Collins stands in the 6 yard box, Hourihane is too static and everyone else (NML, Dobbin, Osula, Bakhuizen etc) is wanting to make runs in behind.  McGoldrick is the only forward player we have that shows for the ball and wants it into feet, and he's been injured a lot.  So Bird picks up the ball and can either thread a perfect through ball for the likes of Dobbin, or safely play it sideways.  And that's just got even worse under Warne, because we spend half the time lumping it over Birds head as well.
For all the people that said Will Hughes never does anything, the team (certainly under Rosenior anyway) is what a team without someone like Will Hughes doing his stuff looks like.  The stuff Hughes did was busting a gut to get into space at all times, then just get it and move it on quickly (rinse and repeat).  We have no one doing that - Bird should be picking the ball up, playing a ball 5/10 yards forward to that guy, and then Bird can advance and get it back again, but he's now 20 yards further up the pitch and those through balls to Dobbin etc are suddenly a lot more playable.  

The problem Bird was having under Rosenior was the lack of passing options in front of him.  Last season he had Ravel Morrison as a number 9 demanding the ball, Plange and Kazim dropping off the front showing for the ball, Knight drifting in from out wide, and even Lawrence showing for it at times. This season, Collins stands in the 6 yard box, Hourihane is too static and everyone else (NML, Dobbin, Osula, Bakhuizen etc) is wanting to make runs in behind.  McGoldrick is the only forward player we have that shows for the ball and wants it into feet, and he's been injured a lot.  So Bird picks up the ball and can either thread a perfect through ball for the likes of Dobbin, or safely play it sideways.  And that's just got even worse under Warne, because we spend half the time lumping it over Birds head as well.
For all the people that said Will Hughes never does anything, the team (certainly under Rosenior anyway) is what a team without someone like Will Hughes doing his stuff looks like.  The stuff Hughes did was busting a gut to get into space at all times, then just get it and move it on quickly (rinse and repeat).  We have no one doing that - Bird should be picking the ball up, playing a ball 5/10 yards forward to that guy, and then Bird can advance and get it back again, but he's now 20 yards further up the pitch and those through balls to Dobbin etc are suddenly a lot more playable.  

The problem Bird was having under Rosenior was the lack of passing options in front of him.  Last season he had Ravel Morrison as a number 9 demanding the ball, Plange and Kazim dropping off the front showing for the ball, Knight drifting in from out wide, and even Lawrence showing for it at times. This season, Collins stands in the 6 yard box, Hourihane is too static and everyone else (NML, Dobbin, Osula, Bakhuizen etc) is wanting to make runs in behind.  McGoldrick is the only forward player we have that shows for the ball and wants it into feet, and he's been injured a lot.  So Bird picks up the ball and can either thread a perfect through ball for the likes of Dobbin, or safely play it sideways.  And that's just got even worse under Warne, because we spend half the time lumping it over Birds head as well.
For all the people that said Will Hughes never does anything, the team (certainly under Rosenior anyway) is what a team without someone like Will Hughes doing his stuff looks like.  The stuff Hughes did was busting a gut to get into space at all times, then just get it and move it on quickly (rinse and repeat).  We have no one doing that - Bird should be picking the ball up, playing a ball 5/10 yards forward to that guy, and then Bird can advance and get it back again, but he's now 20 yards further up the pitch and those through balls to Dobbin etc are suddenly a lot more playable.  

The problem Bird was having under Rosenior was the lack of passing options in front of him.  Last season he had Ravel Morrison as a number 9 demanding the ball, Plange and Kazim dropping off the front showing for the ball, Knight drifting in from out wide, and even Lawrence showing for it at times. This season, Collins stands in the 6 yard box, Hourihane is too static and everyone else (NML, Dobbin, Osula, Bakhuizen etc) is wanting to make runs in behind.  McGoldrick is the only forward player we have that shows for the ball and wants it into feet, and he's been injured a lot.  So Bird picks up the ball and can either thread a perfect through ball for the likes of Dobbin, or safely play it sideways.  And that's just got even worse under Warne, because we spend half the time lumping it over Birds head as well.
For all the people that said Will Hughes never does anything, the team (certainly under Rosenior anyway) is what a team without someone like Will Hughes doing his stuff looks like.  The stuff Hughes did was busting a gut to get into space at all times, then just get it and move it on quickly (rinse and repeat).  We have no one doing that - Bird should be picking the ball up, playing a ball 5/10 yards forward to that guy, and then Bird can advance and get it back again, but he's now 20 yards further up the pitch and those through balls to Dobbin etc are suddenly a lot more playable.  

(Paraphrasing...) "I accept responsibility that the players didn't run enough and didn't tackle enough" is not accepting responsibility, it's pretending to accept responsibility while lumping all the blame on the players.

(Paraphrasing...) "I accept responsibility that the players didn't run enough and didn't tackle enough" is not accepting responsibility, it's pretending to accept responsibility while lumping all the blame on the players.

I thought Warne's nice-guy personality and seemingly friendly attitude with the players would give him a big advantage over Pearson's "My way or the highway" style. But the stuff coming out of the dressing room after last night (Warne's comments to Dom Dietrich, the stuff about players faking injuries, Forsyth basically suggesting has nothing to offer other than "run around more"), suggests it's just Pearson all over again.  Utterly stubborn, no interest in what anyone else has to say, we're going to keep doing the same things over and over again until we get different results.
The other thing is, a lot of the players here clearly bought into what Rosenior was selling them.  It was a prohect and they wanted to join in.  Barkhuizen and NML both left previous clubs, at least in part, because they didn't want to play wingback.  Hourihane was convinced that we were going to play in a way to get the best out of him.  Bird, Knight, and Thompson clearly thought they would be allowed to develop in a decent, technical ball-playing side etc etc.  All of that is in the bin after 10 games. I wouldn't blame any of the players for being very unhappy about what's gone on.

(Paraphrasing...) "I accept responsibility that the players didn't run enough and didn't tackle enough" is not accepting responsibility, it's pretending to accept responsibility while lumping all the blame on the players.

(Paraphrasing...) "I accept responsibility that the players didn't run enough and didn't tackle enough" is not accepting responsibility, it's pretending to accept responsibility while lumping all the blame on the players.

I thought Warne's nice-guy personality and seemingly friendly attitude with the players would give him a big advantage over Pearson's "My way or the highway" style. But the stuff coming out of the dressing room after last night (Warne's comments to Dom Dietrich, the stuff about players faking injuries, Forsyth basically suggesting has nothing to offer other than "run around more"), suggests it's just Pearson all over again.  Utterly stubborn, no interest in what anyone else has to say, we're going to keep doing the same things over and over again until we get different results.
The other thing is, a lot of the players here clearly bought into what Rosenior was selling them.  It was a prohect and they wanted to join in.  Barkhuizen and NML both left previous clubs, at least in part, because they didn't want to play wingback.  Hourihane was convinced that we were going to play in a way to get the best out of him.  Bird, Knight, and Thompson clearly thought they would be allowed to develop in a decent, technical ball-playing side etc etc.  All of that is in the bin after 10 games. I wouldn't blame any of the players for being very unhappy about what's gone on.

We're not talking about a "red-mist descends" type of red card, just that if he committed another foul in that game he was getting sent off.  As soon as he got moved to right wing-back, he got booked for hauling his winger down.  Immediately after that they ran at him again, and to be fair to Sibley he did very well to not commit a foul (even accidentally), but he was inches away from it.  If anything like that happened again, he was off. 
It's not Sibley's fault, it's Warne's for putting him in that position in the first place.

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about the 2 post-match interviews on Radio Derby - Fozzy and Warne himself.  The Fozzy interview was weird, he sounded so demoralized, but the overriding impression was that the players clearly don't understand what they're being asked to do.  It sounded like the players were desperate for some guidance, but the only thing Warne could offer was telling them to run around more.  
And then Warne himself immediately comes out and says he takes full responsibility for the performance, and then spends the rest of the interview blaming the players for not running around enough and tackling enough.  There's clearly a massive disconnect between the squad and manager.

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about the 2 post-match interviews on Radio Derby - Fozzy and Warne himself.  The Fozzy interview was weird, he sounded so demoralized, but the overriding impression was that the players clearly don't understand what they're being asked to do.  It sounded like the players were desperate for some guidance, but the only thing Warne could offer was telling them to run around more.  
And then Warne himself immediately comes out and says he takes full responsibility for the performance, and then spends the rest of the interview blaming the players for not running around enough and tackling enough.  There's clearly a massive disconnect between the squad and manager.

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about the 2 post-match interviews on Radio Derby - Fozzy and Warne himself.  The Fozzy interview was weird, he sounded so demoralized, but the overriding impression was that the players clearly don't understand what they're being asked to do.  It sounded like the players were desperate for some guidance, but the only thing Warne could offer was telling them to run around more.  
And then Warne himself immediately comes out and says he takes full responsibility for the performance, and then spends the rest of the interview blaming the players for not running around enough and tackling enough.  There's clearly a massive disconnect between the squad and manager.

Clearly the vast majority of the signings suited how Rosenior wanted us to play, and barely any of them suit Warne.  Under Rosenior, we would have been looking at tweaks in January. Under Warne, if we’re persisting with the 352, I genuinely think we need at least a dozen new players. And that’s simply not happening given the financial restrictions.
You’re absolutely right that it’s not Warne’s fault, but if he wasn’t prepared to work with the style of player here, he simply should never of been given the job.  Or Rosenior should not have been given free reign to sign who he wanted.