Returning ram

Reading some of these comments, really don't understand the need to slag certain ones off in a need to find a negative...bizarre, they are all part of the squad and will have a contribution to make over the season.
 
No wonder why PW often gets defensive in interviews.

Reading some of these comments, really don't understand the need to slag certain ones off in a need to find a negative...bizarre, they are all part of the squad and will have a contribution to make over the season.
 
No wonder why PW often gets defensive in interviews.

Reading some of these comments, really don't understand the need to slag certain ones off in a need to find a negative...bizarre, they are all part of the squad and will have a contribution to make over the season.
 
No wonder why PW often gets defensive in interviews.

Deserved win, a huge win considering the orher results tonight too. 4 in a row, a clean sheet & TJJ back from injury with a goal.
Shame that despite this people still needlessly need to have digs at players like Bradley & Collins, really what is the point? It is of no benefit to anyone & just shows negativity when its not needed.
We have won 4 in a row, one of the most in form teams in the league, joint best defence & within touching distance of the top 2 without really hitting top performances YET, they will come as confidence grows, Warne himself said this is the time of year his teams start to click & kick on in the league.

@Ghost of Clough
I can only give my opinion on the academy but to reply to your points.
1 To many people get hung up on Cat 1 status. At the moment, our red dog friends have a better set up that us at the youth level ( hence the revamp ). The Cat 1 status only really comes into affect in the latter years (facilities aside), you can still only have a certain amount train at each age level and if you dont attract the right standard, doesn't matter how good your academy is. Worth noting that some of the players you mentioned, our cat 1 status didn't stop us losing them, being in the third tier is not as an attractive prospect at the moment. Once again my views, not PWs, I just dont believe that the expenditure with the current format produces the results.
2 As I mentioned, PWs remit is to get us out this league and generate as much revenue as possible. If only it was as simple as giving a few mins here and there, that's just a linear way of looking at it. You can as easily damage a lads career within them few minutes as you can give them confidence.
 
3 I don't think I have missed the point, it's not in PWs remit to manage the academy or a youth prospects career. So PW hasn't played Thompson, I fail to see the connection between that and the academy, another manager comes in and puts more trust in a different player.
What is your criteria for Cashin being different to Thompson, surely they can both be put in the same bucket ?

@Ghost of Clough
I can only give my opinion on the academy but to reply to your points.
1 To many people get hung up on Cat 1 status. At the moment, our red dog friends have a better set up that us at the youth level ( hence the revamp ). The Cat 1 status only really comes into affect in the latter years (facilities aside), you can still only have a certain amount train at each age level and if you dont attract the right standard, doesn't matter how good your academy is. Worth noting that some of the players you mentioned, our cat 1 status didn't stop us losing them, being in the third tier is not as an attractive prospect at the moment. Once again my views, not PWs, I just dont believe that the expenditure with the current format produces the results.
2 As I mentioned, PWs remit is to get us out this league and generate as much revenue as possible. If only it was as simple as giving a few mins here and there, that's just a linear way of looking at it. You can as easily damage a lads career within them few minutes as you can give them confidence.
 
3 I don't think I have missed the point, it's not in PWs remit to manage the academy or a youth prospects career. So PW hasn't played Thompson, I fail to see the connection between that and the academy, another manager comes in and puts more trust in a different player.
What is your criteria for Cashin being different to Thompson, surely they can both be put in the same bucket ?

@Ghost of Clough
I can only give my opinion on the academy but to reply to your points.
1 To many people get hung up on Cat 1 status. At the moment, our red dog friends have a better set up that us at the youth level ( hence the revamp ). The Cat 1 status only really comes into affect in the latter years (facilities aside), you can still only have a certain amount train at each age level and if you dont attract the right standard, doesn't matter how good your academy is. Worth noting that some of the players you mentioned, our cat 1 status didn't stop us losing them, being in the third tier is not as an attractive prospect at the moment. Once again my views, not PWs, I just dont believe that the expenditure with the current format produces the results.
2 As I mentioned, PWs remit is to get us out this league and generate as much revenue as possible. If only it was as simple as giving a few mins here and there, that's just a linear way of looking at it. You can as easily damage a lads career within them few minutes as you can give them confidence.
 
3 I don't think I have missed the point, it's not in PWs remit to manage the academy or a youth prospects career. So PW hasn't played Thompson, I fail to see the connection between that and the academy, another manager comes in and puts more trust in a different player.
What is your criteria for Cashin being different to Thompson, surely they can both be put in the same bucket ?

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

@Ghost of Clough
I can only give my opinion on the academy but to reply to your points.
1 To many people get hung up on Cat 1 status. At the moment, our red dog friends have a better set up that us at the youth level ( hence the revamp ). The Cat 1 status only really comes into affect in the latter years (facilities aside), you can still only have a certain amount train at each age level and if you dont attract the right standard, doesn't matter how good your academy is. Worth noting that some of the players you mentioned, our cat 1 status didn't stop us losing them, being in the third tier is not as an attractive prospect at the moment. Once again my views, not PWs, I just dont believe that the expenditure with the current format produces the results.
2 As I mentioned, PWs remit is to get us out this league and generate as much revenue as possible. If only it was as simple as giving a few mins here and there, that's just a linear way of looking at it. You can as easily damage a lads career within them few minutes as you can give them confidence.
 
3 I don't think I have missed the point, it's not in PWs remit to manage the academy or a youth prospects career. So PW hasn't played Thompson, I fail to see the connection between that and the academy, another manager comes in and puts more trust in a different player.
What is your criteria for Cashin being different to Thompson, surely they can both be put in the same bucket ?

@Ghost of Clough
I can only give my opinion on the academy but to reply to your points.
1 To many people get hung up on Cat 1 status. At the moment, our red dog friends have a better set up that us at the youth level ( hence the revamp ). The Cat 1 status only really comes into affect in the latter years (facilities aside), you can still only have a certain amount train at each age level and if you dont attract the right standard, doesn't matter how good your academy is. Worth noting that some of the players you mentioned, our cat 1 status didn't stop us losing them, being in the third tier is not as an attractive prospect at the moment. Once again my views, not PWs, I just dont believe that the expenditure with the current format produces the results.
2 As I mentioned, PWs remit is to get us out this league and generate as much revenue as possible. If only it was as simple as giving a few mins here and there, that's just a linear way of looking at it. You can as easily damage a lads career within them few minutes as you can give them confidence.
 
3 I don't think I have missed the point, it's not in PWs remit to manage the academy or a youth prospects career. So PW hasn't played Thompson, I fail to see the connection between that and the academy, another manager comes in and puts more trust in a different player.
What is your criteria for Cashin being different to Thompson, surely they can both be put in the same bucket ?

But he didn't say that, he has as much an interest in the academy as any of the previous managers. If a player is deemed ready to contribute to the first team as determined by a number of factors, that pathway is available.
 
As I said in another post though, it is not his job to oversee the academy, that would be detrimental to the club for any manager to be given that remit imo.

But he didn't say that, he has as much an interest in the academy as any of the previous managers. If a player is deemed ready to contribute to the first team as determined by a number of factors, that pathway is available.
 
As I said in another post though, it is not his job to oversee the academy, that would be detrimental to the club for any manager to be given that remit imo.

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Brilliant post mate, absolutely spot on

Blimey - you talk far too much sense to be on this Forum - no wonder you left - but why come back to read some of the drivel on here? BUT please stay around a bit longer - it’s been good to hear from someone with a bit of background substance to his views rather than just wild speculation.

I hope you requested a test of knowledge for  Pep and his academy players. He would naturally know them all including middle names.
Great  post by the way 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.
 
 

Really didn't want to get involved in this forum again, as last time it became time consuming however given the criticism around the academy, I thought I'd share my experience and snippets of information having being around it for a number of years.
We are not a "2 club city", our area includes wolves, WBA, Foxes and others, teams use development centres to circumvent the hour catchment. The academy is going through a revamp, but given the lack of results over the years I'm surprised we continue to put in the funding to retain cat 1. PW contrary to opinion is often seen around the training ground, he does know players names, not all of them but it's not his responsibility to do so, the academy has people in place that run it.
I had the joy of attending a Man City session recently, the topic turned to stats and how Pep believes them to mean nothing without context, they are mainly for accountants and they are better served staying in computer games because they dont provide the full story and you can spin them anyway you want to back your opinion. I also smile when PW gets bashed for not backing the academy, why would you give players minutes over established players that are your key players for the season, or returning from injury, for example, that's without even going into contracts that have certain triggers and all the other stuff around that.
 
An even bigger smile is his failure to bring in youth at Rotherham, once again I'm not sure how a managers responsibility is to bring youth players through in such a short period of time and if the ones you have aren't good enough, why would you play them over your senior players when your chasing promotion ?
Hopefully DC will get the academy producing and hopefully it's as easy as some make out on here, but in my experience it's not. As I alluded to earlier, we have been trying for a good number of years and although we have wonderful facilities, a manager whose remit is to get us out of this division, isn't the gatekeeper for this objective, imo.