smiffy Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 phil brown was terrible. i do think he was better at hull but he cut his teeth at derby and it was really obvious at points as he didnt know what he was doing. i agree he didnt have much support maybe even less than clough but i think even then phil clown could offer players more wages than we can now. Do not think you could say Brown was a bad appointment, I would say six years as assistant manager at Bolton, is just as good , if not better than 10 years as a non league manager . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBW Ram Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Do not think you could say Brown was a bad appointment, I would say six years as assistant manager at Bolton, is just as good , if not better than 10 years as a non league manager. How often do you think Brown had to pick the team during those 6 years Smiffy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 How often do you think Brown had to pick the team during those 6 years Smiffy? Before Big Sam got the job Brown was caretaker, and I believe he did quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Can anyone name a recent manager who every player he signed stayed at the club for years and was a great success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Can anyone name a recent manager who every player he signed stayed at the club for years and was a great success. erm, erm, erm, erm.... wasn't there that guy? no wait he had a few mistakes erm, erm................ I think you have a point. 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nookiebear Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 no way smiffy, assistant manager experience at a good level is great but it aint the same as being in charge and building a team for 10 years mate even if it was at non league level. all about opinions tho mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Before Big Sam got the job Brown was caretaker, and I believe he did quite well. Only for five games - bit he did win 4. But not enough to get the gig full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 And lose you games. All the top players with flair and without flair work hard. It is a team game. when you say work hard what exactly do you mean? how many real flare players track back? and sometimes you can afford to have a passenger who can do something brilliant, look at commons for instance or Marco Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Selling a striker for £250k when we dont have many striking options and Steve Davies wants to leave seems pretty pointless. Seems way too low for an up and coming Scottish international striker. If we turned down two previous bids from Wednedsday what kind of low ball offers must they have been? We really must be hard up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 an up and coming Scottish international striker. He's not up and coming anymore, and he's not an International. A down-and-going former Scottish international is a more suitable description. Let's make him sound as crap as possible to make is feel better about ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedshuls Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Do not think you could say Brown was a bad appointment, I would say six years as assistant manager at Bolton, is just as good , if not better than 10 years as a non league manager . Definitely not. Number 2s usually make pretty poor managers, as history shows. When you appoint a non-League manager who has had success over 10 years, he's at least proved he is capable of managing a team. The only thing riskier than appointing a No.2 into his first management role is appointing a player who only just retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkleyowl Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Hope the lad that turned out for Pompey is the player we get not the mardy sod as described on here, he's only 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 when you say work hard what exactly do you mean? how many real flare players track back? and sometimes you can afford to have a passenger who can do something brilliant, look at commons for instance or Marco Reich. Working hard isn't just about tracking back, it is also about creating space and if you are a forward, about closing down defenders and putting pressure on them. It is also about if you lose the ball you work hard to get it back (something C Maguire didn't do). The only spell Commons had in which he played consistently well was when NC got him to work hard. Marco Reich??? Wasn't exactly a raging success anywhere. There is no place for as you say 'passengers' in any team - as the name suggests, they are just a passenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Working hard isn't just about tracking back, it is also about creating space and if you are a forward, about closing down defenders and putting pressure on them. It is also about if you lose the ball you work hard to get it back (something C Maguire didn't do). The only spell Commons had in which he played consistently well was when NC got him to work hard. Marco Reich??? Wasn't exactly a raging success anywhere. There is no place for as you say 'passengers' in any team - as the name suggests, they are just a passenger. Marco Reich was pretty popular here during his time and his goal kept us up i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Working hard isn't just about tracking back, it is also about creating space and if you are a forward, about closing down defenders and putting pressure on them. It is also about if you lose the ball you work hard to get it back (something C Maguire didn't do). Fair point but a lot of forwards don't do any of the above but are still success'. Whether they might be target men (Hulse, Howard, Rasiak etc) or playmakers (Commons, Savies, T Smith) they are still worth being in the team for their qualities, not their work rate as such. Maguire certainly wasn't a passenger in a very poor Pompey side that got relegated, that's for sure. He has quality, the sort of quality I want at this club, just not with the baggage he brought (apparently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Definitely not. Number 2s usually make pretty poor managers, as history shows. When you appoint a non-League manager who has had success over 10 years, he's at least proved he is capable of managing a team. The only thing riskier than appointing a No.2 into his first management role is appointing a player who only just retired. Like Brian Clough for example 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezram Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 brown was unlucky i reckon, football poor but the budget & resources then were worse bisgaard was on 3.5k & idiakez 4.5 according to fm & back then they were accurate on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Marco Reich was pretty popular here during his time and his goal kept us up i believe. I think you are over rating his popularity. Since leaving Derby he has just bounced from club to club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nookiebear Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I do agree brown was unlucky as we did av no money but even if we had i still dont think he wod av been any good as most of the time he talked drivell and the team looked clueless 3-5k for indiakez n bisgaard thats pretty good value for money looking back(providing champ manager is right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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