Derby v Cheltenham (A) Match Thread

[Ghost of Clough]

41 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

 

There's a big gap between throwing money at it and tying your manager's hands. Having at various points Ibe, Lingard & Ince on loan, Bamford the season before, spending £3m on Thorne, bringing in Christie etc isn't having your hands tied. The assertion that Warne has had his hands tied is also misguided when you consider he's been allowed to bring in 10-12 players with many at the top end of the budget for the league, regardless of them not requiring transfer fees. It's hardly an insignificant number of additions.

McClaren didn't need to do much to create a well balanced squad because he took what Nigel Clough had left him with (a good team) and came up with a way of playing that got the best out of those players whilst making sensible additions to complement them and to create a very good team, whereas Warne's plan was initially to force the inherited players into his system whether they were suited to it or not.

(McClaren's inherited squad was admittedly already more suited to his style,  but that's why he was such a good appointment & Warne less so)

McClaren tweaked the system slightly in 2014/15 but essentially built on a winning formula . He didn't try to reset anything, he recognised what worked, what didn't and recruited to suit.  In Warne case, he again got stuck on his vision for 3 at the back and set about recruiting for that, seemingly without recognising that one of the biggest reasons for our change in form under him the previous season was dropping that system - this contributes to making it more difficult to find our rhythm this season.

While they've both had issues with injuries, I really don't think you can compare us having a slow start this season to the collapse in 2014/15. After 34 games under McClaren we were top of the table by 2 points and that was with Martin missing for a few games already, but no matter who you are and what good form you're in, losing much of the spine of your team will mess up your form.

Warne has been lost / been unable to access certain players, but there's no evidence yet  that even with those players being available we'd have been significantly better off, or that his desired system really suits either his inherited players or even a number of his additions.

  

Do you not think there's a rather large difference between the balance of your midfield being ruined (with the backup player being an academy player who never was and ever would be good enough to play Championship football) at a time when you're seriously  chasing automatic promotion to the Premier League, and a player/players in a more peripheral position (RB) getting injured during a League One campaign?

FYI, the wage bill was £16.4m in 13/14 (12th highest in the league) and £21.8m in 14/15 (9th highest in the league).

In both seasons we outperformed our financial budget. Can Warne say the same?

[G STAR RAM]

9 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Yes, many were expecting some magic dust when he arrived - for the reason you allude to. But after witnessing what, 60 games, it’s just not there. 

it might just be that he was above average with Rotherham because he fitted the club. He’s not a good fit with us.

Not a great position for dc to be in tbh (and it’s time to stop deflecting the causes to Morris, not least because that way they don’t get addressed) 

Yes? Who are all of these average League One managers that have been promoted from the division 3 times out of interest?

 

[RoyMac5]

10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yes? Who are all of these average League One managers that have been promoted from the division 3 times out of interest?

 

All of the others. 

[G STAR RAM]

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

All of the others. 

Oh.

Any names?