Ocean Temperature (strictly apolitical)

[Highgate]

https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024

The anomalous heat of 2023 is continuing this year, beyond the level of warming our climate models predicted (allowing for El Nino etc...).  A very worrying trend.  It's almost as if one of the much talked about climate 'tipping points' has been or is being reached.  Only time will tell I guess.  

[Carl Sagan]

4 hours ago, Highgate said:

https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024

The anomalous heat of 2023 is continuing this year, beyond the level of warming our climate models predicted (allowing for El Nino etc...).  A very worrying trend.  It's almost as if one of the much talked about climate 'tipping points' has been or is being reached.  Only time will tell I guess.  

There's an interesting idea that the banning of sulfur from maritime fuel in 2020 has inadvertently caused this: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3 . We know that volcanoes lower the global temperature temporarily by introducing sulfur particles into the upper atmosphere, and it may be we've accidentally been geoengineering the climate in maritime fuel until now. 

[Highgate]

49 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

There's an interesting idea that the banning of sulfur from maritime fuel in 2020 has inadvertently caused this: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3 . We know that volcanoes lower the global temperature temporarily by introducing sulfur particles into the upper atmosphere, and it may be we've accidentally been geoengineering the climate in maritime fuel until now. 

That's a very good point, although very troubling from our perspective.  When we finally end up doing something positive, it has an inadvertent negative effect.  In fact sulphur pollutants from all areas of our civilization have polluted the air and seriously damaged our collective health, but have been, in the meantime, masking and reducing the impact of global warming.  It's genuinely unfortunate...but at least now we know.  

It's very likely that this is not the only contributing factor to the recent surge in global temperatures however, at least that's what the experts say. 

[Archied]

With the greatest respect I thought we had stopped all political stuff which hopefully meant not posting stuff we believe, supported by links to sources that support those beliefs being allowed as long as they go unchallenged thus creating a message board / echo chamber for one view , but if challenged then closed down 🤷🏻‍♂️

[GboroRam]

57 minutes ago, Archied said:

With the greatest respect I thought we had stopped all political stuff which hopefully meant not posting stuff we believe, supported by links to sources that support those beliefs being allowed as long as they go unchallenged thus creating a message board / echo chamber for one view , but if challenged then closed down 🤷🏻‍♂️

Are you saying nature.com is a political source?  

[Archied]

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

Are you saying nature.com is a political source?  

https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024

look at the headers and links 🤷🏻‍♂️, 

Edited August 8 by Archied

[Highgate]

8 hours ago, Archied said:

With the greatest respect I thought we had stopped all political stuff which hopefully meant not posting stuff we believe, supported by links to sources that support those beliefs being allowed as long as they go unchallenged thus creating a message board / echo chamber for one view , but if challenged then closed down 🤷🏻‍♂️

If you want to challenge the science then there is no reason why you shouldn't feel free to do so, as far as I can see. Thermometers and atmospheric sensors are about as apolitical as you can get. 

[Archied]

18 minutes ago, Highgate said:

If you want to challenge the science then there is no reason why you shouldn't feel free to do so, as far as I can see. Thermometers and atmospheric sensors are about as apolitical as you can get. 

Rather depends on who’s reading them , funding them , making the interpretation s , telling us the policy that NEEDS to be followed for what they say is the cause of what they say is happening, I’ve bothered enough to follow the links on the site you put the link to and it’s just as expected, pretty much like links to the guardian or even other media that agree or disagree , pushing a one sided narrative whichever side they support , got to tell I’ve got pretty tired of this kind of stuff lately , just stop oil , climate deniers, pro Palestine, pro Israel , far right , far left and on and on and on ,

thought the forum was intending to stop this stuff from all sides and do stuff like football , mental health where people support each other , sport , help for Reuben s recovery ect ,,, maybe not 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Comrade 86]

12 minutes ago, Archied said:

I’ve got pretty tired of this kind of stuff lately , just stop oil , climate deniers, pro Palestine, pro Israel , far right , far left and on and on and on 

Then it makes very little sense for you to be visiting any of the threads you claim to be fed up with, doesn't it?

It's not all about you my friend.

[Highgate]

26 minutes ago, Archied said:

Rather depends on who’s reading them , funding them , making the interpretation s , telling us the policy that NEEDS to be followed for what they say is the cause of what they say is happening, I’ve bothered enough to follow the links on the site you put the link to and it’s just as expected, pretty much like links to the guardian or even other media that agree or disagree , pushing a one sided narrative whichever side they support , got to tell I’ve got pretty tired of this kind of stuff lately , just stop oil , climate deniers, pro Palestine, pro Israel , far right , far left and on and on and on ,

thought the forum was intending to stop this stuff from all sides and do stuff like football , mental health where people support each other , sport , help for Reuben s recovery ect ,,, maybe not 🤷🏻‍♂️

The temperature of the ocean or the atmosphere does not depend on who's reading it or funding it. Those are simple facts.  The link I posted was simply reporting those observed facts.  Talk about the science...or don't bother with this thread at all would be my advice. 

[Archied]

45 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

Then it makes very little sense for you to be visiting any of the threads you claim to be fed up with, doesn't it?

It's not all about you my friend.

Nah, your probably right , I should just not give a poop about anything , it’s a pretty batso world and this area of the forum really isn’t geared to debate , I’ve noticed you don’t get into on here much these days and are probably better off for it 😂

[Archied]

42 minutes ago, Highgate said:

The temperature of the ocean or the atmosphere does not depend on who's reading it or funding it. Those are simple facts.  The link I posted was simply reporting those observed facts.  Talk about the science...or don't bother with this thread at all would be my advice. 

Well I’m not gonna get into it with you as in the main I’ve found you ok to have back and forth with but in fairness the site you linked went well beyond just reporting numbers 🤷🏻‍♂️

[TigerTedd]

1 minute ago, Archied said:

Nah, your probably right , I should just not give a poop about anything , it’s a pretty batso world and this area of the forum really isn’t geared to debate , I’ve noticed you don’t get into on here much these days and are probably better off for it 😂

I’m sure debate is welcomed here, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to debate. Do you have a neutral source that contradicts the stated source? 

Genuinely, this is the only social media I pay any attention to. I find posters on here to be pretty even, and know more about stuff than me, so I come here to be informed and im happy to hear all sides.

but it all sounds bloody depressing m, so I might bio over to a mental health thread instead.

genuinely, I think we probably reached a tipping point a while ago. But it’s not like scientists can say that. They have to say that there’s still hope if we change our ways now, or we just won’t change our ways, cos we’ll think there’s no point. But that is purely pessimistic speculation (and I’m normally very optimistic). 

[Archied]

1 minute ago, TigerTedd said:

I’m sure debate is welcomed here, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to debate. Do you have a neutral source that contradicts the stated source? 

Genuinely, this is the only social media I pay any attention to. I find posters on here to be pretty even, and know more about stuff than me, so I come here to be informed and im happy to hear all sides.

but it all sounds bloody depressing m, so I might bio over to a mental health thread instead.

genuinely, I think we probably reached a tipping point a while ago. But it’s not like scientists can say that. They have to say that there’s still hope if we change our ways now, or we just won’t change our ways, cos we’ll think there’s no point. But that is purely pessimistic speculation (and I’m normally very optimistic). 

Where I rile is the bombardment of this stuff , I watched with sadness the interview by the young girl when she was part of blockading the m25 and was concerned about the actual state she was in , just about on the edge full of fear and anxiety, she’s now doing 4 years , she’s just a bloody kid really ,

anyway , im out as some of what comrade 86 put is good advice but anybody who thinks I believe it’s all about me is wide of the mark but the truth is you can’t really get a grasp of people from an Internet forum 

[Highgate]

35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

I’m sure debate is welcomed here, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to debate. Do you have a neutral source that contradicts the stated source? 

Genuinely, this is the only social media I pay any attention to. I find posters on here to be pretty even, and know more about stuff than me, so I come here to be informed and im happy to hear all sides.

but it all sounds bloody depressing m, so I might bio over to a mental health thread instead.

genuinely, I think we probably reached a tipping point a while ago. But it’s not like scientists can say that. They have to say that there’s still hope if we change our ways now, or we just won’t change our ways, cos we’ll think there’s no point. But that is purely pessimistic speculation (and I’m normally very optimistic). 

I guess it's a question of how bad things become regarding the climate.  There is a lot that we can do still and some of the technology available now is very encouraging.  Anything around or under a global 2 C rise and we will probably be largely able to mitigate and adapt (in this part of the world anyway).  

[GboroRam]

8 hours ago, Archied said:

https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024

look at the headers and links 🤷🏻‍♂️, 

Genuinely lost as to the link between your link and the nature.com link. It's a long, technical article that is far above my level of understanding, but I didn't see anywhere the two have any link. Did I miss something? 

And not liking the source of the funding doesn't change any facts, and doesn’t stop anyone publishing another angle that disputes any results. But you don't appear to have produced anything like that, just a bit of a complaint that a peer reviewed article quoting sources says something you personally don't agree with. 

[Archied]

17 minutes ago, Highgate said:

I guess it's a question of how bad things become regarding the climate.  There is a lot that we can do still and some of the technology available now is very encouraging.  Anything around or under a global 2 C rise and we will probably be largely able to mitigate and adapt (in this part of the world anyway).  

As I said I find your approach far more open and we have had back and forth where you accept that I care about the state of the planet but have different priorities and worry that very important issues have been totally pushed out of sight ( usually if they threaten grow grow grow profit profit profit )

I posted after checking out your link and they’re headers and links which I honestly find to be fear porn doom and gloom , apologies if I read you wrong , it’s been a long and disheartening few months when you look at what’s going on around us in the country and on the world scene 

[Archied]

29 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Genuinely lost as to the link between your link and the nature.com link. It's a long, technical article that is far above my level of understanding, but I didn't see anywhere the two have any link. Did I miss something? 

And not liking the source of the funding doesn't change any facts, and doesn’t stop anyone publishing another angle that disputes any results. But you don't appear to have produced anything like that, just a bit of a complaint that a peer reviewed article quoting sources says something you personally don't agree with. 

Never mentioned the nature.com link 

[Highgate]

27 minutes ago, Archied said:

As I said I find your approach far more open and we have had back and forth where you accept that I care about the state of the planet but have different priorities and worry that very important issues have been totally pushed out of sight ( usually if they threaten grow grow grow profit profit profit )

I posted after checking out your link and they’re headers and links which I honestly find to be fear porn doom and gloom , apologies if I read you wrong , it’s been a long and disheartening few months when you look at what’s going on around us in the country and on the world scene 

I just posted that article if people wanted to read it or part of it. It is an alarming story but it does seem to be perfectly factual and scientifically based reporting to me.  I don't agree that simply reporting facts as they are, even if those facts are bleaks, is doom and gloom porn.

If it does all get too depressing or worrying, and I would understand if it did, then there is the option of ignoring the whole subject I suppose. 

[GboroRam]

47 minutes ago, Archied said:

Never mentioned the nature.com link 

I did. It was the basis of the two posts just before you said "but this is all political".