The FA chairman is a moron

[Gaspode]

3 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

You mean like Roy Hodgson was ?

It was generally felt that Hodgson was struggling at Liverpool when he was sacked - Klopp was improvng them whereas Hodgson wasn't - that's not race related however much you may want it to be......

[BIllyD]

1 minute ago, Gaspode said:

It was generally felt that Hodgson was struggling at Liverpool when he was sacked - Klopp was improvng them whereas Hodgson wasn't - that's not race related however much you may want it to be......

I'm sorry where did I mention anything about race. I don't often get annoyed at forum comments however when someone implies something I didn't say that's a different matter.

[BIllyD]

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Graeme Souness - 3 years 1 honour

Roy Evans - 4 years 1 honour

Brendan Rodgers - 3 years no honours

Ah and there we go.....someone who isn't interested in debating anything else John Barnes had to say if quite happy to delve into facts when it suits them ?

I also missed your reply about the rally ??

[AndyinLiverpool]

7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Graeme Souness - 3 years 1 honour

Roy Evans - 4 years 1 honour

Brendan Rodgers - 3 years no honours

Only one of those is English. And he was part of the 'bootroom'.

[Gaspode]

1 minute ago, BIllyD said:

I'm sorry where did I mention anything about race. I don't often get annoyed at forum comments however when someone implies something I didn't say that's a different matter.

The comment you replied to was about Barnes using race when there was no evidence it played a part - and you then tried to counter my point with a poorly thought out example - why would you do that unless yopu were trying to prove the point that Barnes was right?

[G STAR RAM]

2 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

Ah and there we go.....someone who isn't interested in debating anything else John Barnes had to say if quite happy to delve into facts when it suits them ?

I also missed your reply about the rally ??

I'll happily debate anything John Barnes said if you create another thread on it and where it is relevant.

Sorry, I thought @Anon posted a response which covered your rally comment?

[BIllyD]

9 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

The comment you replied to was about Barnes using race when there was no evidence it played a part - and you then tried to counter my point with a poorly thought out example - why would you do that unless yopu were trying to prove the point that Barnes was right?

Maybe try reading the my previous posts where I said I though Barnes opinion was wrong ?
 

The point I was making is that there is a difference between discrimination and racism, as I said earlier I have no problem in any debate around his comments being inaccurate or not. By inferring I was wanting to tie back anything to be race related is just making things up and trying to make a divide that is not there.

[BIllyD]

13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I'll happily debate anything John Barnes said if you create another thread on it and where it is relevant.

Sorry, I thought @Anon posted a response which covered your rally comment?

Thanks but I will politely decline.

[Anon]

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[Ghost of Clough]

2 hours ago, BIllyD said:

You mean like Roy Hodgson was ?

Hodgson seemed like a good appointment at the time. Experience of managing big name players and had just taken minnows Fulham to a Europa League Final, suffering a narrow defeat against Atl Madrid. He won the LMA manager of the year award by a record margin.
However, Liverpool didn't progress as they had hoped and Hodgson was sacked after only 5 months, with only 25 points from 20 games, sitting 12th in the table. A justifiable sacking in my opinion.

Klopp took over Liverpool part way through the 15/16 season, starting off slowly but ended the season exceptionally well. A 6-0 win over Villa, 4-1 and 3-0 wins over Man City, 4-0 over Everton being notable results.
He built on that with a 4th place finish (their best finish since their 2nd place slip in 13/14) and lost in the two cup finals. progress stalled the following season finishing 4th again but the football was still entertaining.
In 18/19, they narrowly missed out on winning the league (a record high for 2nd place of 97 points), but won the Champions League. Progress was clearly visible, and within touching distance of what Liverpool craved most. As you know, they got what they wanted last season, finishing 18 points clear of 2nd.

[i-Ram]

I went to a KKK Rally once. Bloody scary too. None of them could keep their cars on the track. I blame those silly hoods they were wearing.

[BIllyD]

22 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Hodgson seemed like a good appointment at the time. Experience of managing big name players and had just taken minnows Fulham to a Europa League Final, suffering a narrow defeat against Atl Madrid. He won the LMA manager of the year award by a record margin.
However, Liverpool didn't progress as they had hoped and Hodgson was sacked after only 5 months, with only 25 points from 20 games, sitting 12th in the table. A justifiable sacking in my opinion.

Klopp took over Liverpool part way through the 15/16 season, starting off slowly but ended the season exceptionally well. A 6-0 win over Villa, 4-1 and 3-0 wins over Man City, 4-0 over Everton being notable results.
He built on that with a 4th place finish (their best finish since their 2nd place slip in 13/14) and lost in the two cup finals. progress stalled the following season finishing 4th again but the football was still entertaining.
In 18/19, they narrowly missed out on winning the league (a record high for 2nd place of 97 points), but won the Champions League. Progress was clearly visible, and within touching distance of what Liverpool craved most. As you know, they got what they wanted last season, finishing 18 points clear of 2nd.

Hodgson was employed at the time of a takeover, sacking him after 25 games in my opinion was harsh but inevitable. He was never going to succeed for the outset and in a way highlights what Barnes was saying, had he been a foreign manager I wouldn't have been surprised to see him given more time.

 

Klopps first season was indifferent, finishing 8th, which was a couple of places down on the previous season and for the record Barnes never said he should have been sacked, he hasn't disagreed in fact far from it, he says "we believed he was the right man" in them early years.

[Ghost of Clough]

4 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

Hodgson was employed at the time of a takeover, sacking him after 25 games in my opinion was harsh but inevitable. He was never going to succeed for the outset and in a way highlights what Barnes was saying, had he been a foreign manager I wouldn't have been surprised to see him given more time.

Nonsense. 25 points from 20 games is poor for a team like Liverpool. Solskjaer will be sacked from Man United if he's anywhere near that. Rogers and Mourinho probably would be too (although not going to happen this season)

4 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

Klopps first season was indifferent, finishing 8th, which was a couple of places down on the previous season and for the record Barnes never said he should have been sacked, he hasn't disagreed in fact far from it, he says "we believed he was the right man" in them early years.

Klopp joined the club part way through that season. They had a slow start, but picked up 26 points from their final 14 games. The signs of progress were evident. Very few managers would be sacked after that kind of form

[BIllyD]

36 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Nonsense. 25 points from 20 games is poor for a team like Liverpool. Solskjaer will be sacked from Man United if he's anywhere near that. Rogers and Mourinho probably would be too (although not going to happen this season)

Klopp joined the club part way through that season. They had a slow start, but picked up 26 points from their final 14 games. The signs of progress were evident. Very few managers would be sacked after that kind of form

Of course complete nonsense, 2019 Man Utd 31 points after 20 games, a whole 6 points better off. Started the season with their worst start in how many years, worst start at home in 48 years, biggest home defeat in 48 years and yet he is still being afforded time to get it right...oh and I forget the millions spent....as for Klopp, might be worth reading what I wrote in the previous post ?

[Ghost of Clough]

58 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

Of course complete nonsense, 2019 Man Utd 31 points after 20 games, a whole 6 points better off. Started the season with their worst start in how many years, worst start at home in 48 years, biggest home defeat in 48 years and yet he is still being afforded time to get it right...oh and I forget the millions spent....

After 20 games they were 5th, losing only 1 game at home in that period 2-1

58 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

as for Klopp, might be worth reading what I wrote in the previous post ?

You were referring to Klopp's 8th place finish in his first season as a reason to say he would have been sacked if he was English. Rogers was the manager for the first part of the season. Klopp was making clear progress based on how they finished the season. An English (and/or black) manager wouldn't have been sacked in similar circumstances.

[BIllyD]

19 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

After 20 games they were 5th, losing only 1 game at home in that period 2-1

You were referring to Klopp's 8th place finish in his first season as a reason to say he would have been sacked if he was English. Rogers was the manager for the first part of the season. Klopp was making clear progress based on how they finished the season. An English (and/or black) manager wouldn't have been sacked in similar circumstances.

Nope I didn't refer anything of the sort. I stated several times I didn't agree with Barnes opinion on Klopp.

I referred to Klopps 8th place in reference to the unjustified sacking in my opinion of Roy and in this case had he been foreign with the credentials he had, he would have been given more time. 
 

And yes Man Utd were fifth, only 6 points or two wins better than Roy's team and in the year that has past are now in a much much lower position.