Smyth_18 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, CHCDerby said: I've mellowed a lot from Wednesday night. My blood is black and white, I forgive and forget and want to be with my 26000+ thousand mates tomorrow. See you all at approx 2.30pm. Hi unlikely. If your blood is indeed black and white, there is no chance of you making 2:30pm today, never mind tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I've always tried to convince myself that a Jaffa Cake is a biscuit. It just isn't. It's also a poor attempt at a cake as it would need to be bigger for me. In conclusion, i am on the fence. They stand in a category of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smyth_18 said: Hi unlikely. If your blood is indeed black and white, there is no chance of you making 2:30pm today, never mind tomorrow. Hold on, are you inferring that it's red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erathirea Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 How long until this gets moved to off topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Legally, Jaffa Cakes are cakes and are taxed as such. All that matters to me. When the court's decide that they're biscuits I'll agree with the other side. Until then, they may as well be stating that cupcakes are biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Legally it’s a cake. Technically it’s a cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Legally it’s a cake. Technically it’s a cake I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone can claim they're biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Nigel Pearson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaapwekkend P Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 This about sums up my views on the current situation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Quote The significance of the borderline between cakes and biscuits is that a cake is zero-rated even if it is covered in chocolate, whereas a biscuit is standard-rated if wholly or partly covered in chocolate or some product similar in taste and appearance. As set out in the paragraphs above, there is no generally accepted definition of either cake or biscuit, but the distinction is usually clear in practice. The leading case on the borderline is that concerning Jaffa cakes: United Biscuits (LON/91/0160). Customs and Excise had accepted since the start of VAT that Jaffa cakes were zero-rated as cakes, but always had misgivings about whether this was correct. Following a review, the department reversed its view of the liability. Jaffa cakes were then ruled to be biscuits partly covered in chocolate and standard-rated: United Biscuits (as McVities, one of the largest manufacturers of Jaffa cakes) appealed against this decision. The Tribunal listed the factors it considered in coming to a decision as follows. The product’s name was a minor consideration. Ingredients: Cake can be made of widely differing ingredients, but Jaffa cakes were made of an egg, flour, and sugar mixture which was aerated on cooking and was the same as a traditional sponge cake. It was a thin batter rather than the thicker dough expected for a biscuit texture. Cake would be expected to be soft and friable; biscuit would be expected to be crisp and able to be snapped. Jaffa cakes had the texture of sponge cake. Size: Jaffa cakes were in size more like biscuits than cakes. Packaging: Jaffa cakes were sold in packages more similar to biscuits than cakes. Marketing: Jaffa cakes were generally displayed for sale with biscuits rather than cakes. On going stale, a Jaffa cake goes hard like a cake rather than soft like a biscuit. Jaffa cakes are presented as a snack, eaten with the fingers, whereas a cake may be more often expected to be eaten with a fork. They also appeal to children, who could eat one in a few mouthfuls rather like a sweet. The sponge part of a Jaffa cake is a substantial part of the product in terms of bulk and texture when eaten. Taking all these factors into account, Jaffa cakes had characteristics of both cakes and biscuits, but the tribunal thought they had enough characteristics of cakes to be accepted as such, and they were therefore zero-rated. HMRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StantonRam Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 hi all Surely something is only a biscuit if it can successfully be dunked? Even a choc digestive can be dunked, but a Jaffa Cake probably not (never tried however, I might be wrong). However, Marcel Proust would of course disagree, having apparently met with such success when dunking a small cake that he apparently felt compelled to write a number of very long books... LR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 hours ago, SaintRam said: Legally, Jaffa Cakes are cakes and are taxed as such. All that matters to me. When the court's decide that they're biscuits I'll agree with the other side. Until then, they may as well be stating that cupcakes are biscuits. 31 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Legally it’s a cake. Technically it’s a cake 26 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone can claim they're biscuits. What about a fig roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, cheron85 said: What about a fig roll? Biscuit. A nice one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Biscuit. A nice one at that. The fig roll or fig bar is a cake consisting of a sweet roll filled with fig paste in the middle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_roll #Awks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, cannable said: Nigel Pearson? He’s crackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, cheron85 said: What about a fig roll? It’s a pastry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, cheron85 said: What about a fig roll? I've not done the same research into fig rolls as I have a jaffa cake; but I'll sit based on what the people who make it claim it to be and what it's taxed as. My problem about the "biscuit or cake?" stuff is that it isn't about opinions - they're two distinct categories that something is either in or isn't. It's objective and verifiable. I don't even know what the texture of a fig roll is; I've never had one. I'm not sure I've ever even see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, SaintRam said: I've not done the same research into fig rolls as I have a jaffa cake; but I'll sit based on what the people who make it claim it to be and what it's taxed as. My problem about the "biscuit or cake?" stuff is that it isn't about opinions - they're two distinct categories that something is either in or isn't. It's objective and verifiable. I don't even know what the texture of a fig roll is; I've never had one. I'm not sure I've ever even see one. Yeh, I don't like them (or in fact care) but thought it would wind @DarkFruitsRam7 up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Yeh, I don't like them (or in fact care) but thought it would wind @DarkFruitsRam7 up ? I sometimes amaze myself by how much effort I can put into a discussion about something I care so little about. I've never seen a Fig Roll; I've never eaten a Jaffa Cake! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erathirea Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 And what about this dress? What colour is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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