Andicis Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, cannable said: Why shouldn’t Bournemouth’s oligarch spend his money how he wants? Because they broke the rules. We didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 The cause of the excessive spending in the Championship comes from the ridiculous parachute payments from the premier league. Instead of parachute payments why don't players have relegation clauses in their contracts which means if relegated players either find another Premier League club (if good enough) or they stay with massively reduced wages. Its the price of failure surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: The cause of the excessive spending in the Championship comes from the ridiculous parachute payments from the premier league. Why instead of parachute payments why don't players have relegation clauses in their contracts which means if relegated players either find another Premier League club (if good enough) or they stay with massively reduced wages. Its the price of failure surely? see a few issues with this but in broad agreement. the rules would need to dictate the size of the relegation clause, struggle to guess how that could be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Spanish said: see a few issues with this but in broad agreement. the rules would need to dictate the size of the relegation clause, struggle to guess how that could be done Yes indeed. Maybe the contract can be cancelled upon relegation. The club loses the players value but can renegotiate the contract if he stays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Yes indeed. Maybe the contract can be cancelled upon relegation. The club loses the players value but can renegotiate the contract if he stays? not sure any player would sign that unless he was certain that the club was strong enuf to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, maxjam said: Because the rules prohibit it. Why can't we field 15 players? If you can afford the punishment then balls to it, break the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, cannable said: If you can afford the punishment then balls to it, break the rules That works if you (like most teams have done) get promoted. Forest however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, maxjam said: That works if you (like most teams have done) get promoted. Forest however... As I mentioned earlier though, they didn’t spend their way out of the division per-say. They only had a net spend of £1,000,000 in 14/15. The £13,000,000 wage increase is what caused them to break the rules. Without being arsed into looking in detail I can only assume that this was to keep the team together 14/15. We did similar but are lucky enough to have a bigger fan base etcetera. I can hardly begrudge them keeping the team together but breaking a few rules in doing do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Just now, cannable said: As I mentioned earlier though, they didn’t spend their way out of the division per-say. They only had a net spend of £1,000,000 in 14/15. The £13,000,000 wage increase is what caused them to break the rules. Without being arsed into looking in detail I can only assume that this was to keep the team together 14/15. We did similar but are lucky enough to have a bigger fan base etcetera. I can hardly begrudge them keeping the team together but breaking a few rules in doing do. Alternatively they could have trimmed their squad/wage bill like we are having to do this season to comply with FFP. I personally don't believe that FFP is going about things the right way. Great idea in principle, implemented poorly - but whilst we have FFP rules they should be abided by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I think the main point here is that they have accepted the fine for thier type of FFP breach and paid it as I believe Leicester have done which leaves QPR who need to be paying or relagated away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 They'll recoup it from this Grabban deal anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Skitz Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sparkle said: I think the main point here is that they have accepted the fine for thier type of FFP breach and paid it as I believe Leicester have done which leaves QPR who need to be paying or relagated away difference is us and Bournemouth are prem sides so the FL cannot impose a transfer embargo, had either of us got relegated they could have so the fine is ELF 's only means of punishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: They'll recoup it from this Grabban deal anyway.... Bournemouth saying gone for £6m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Jimmy Skitz said: I do think any owner should be allowed to invest what ever they like in their businesses the only rule FFP really needs is no loaning the money, it has to be an investment so the only way you get any back is if the club get promoted from dividend pay out, as said though it has done the job of stopping clubs going bust Agree. Its awful when clubs borrow and borrow in order to get promotion and build new stadiums then go into administration and businesses lose millions as a result. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Inglorius said: What's the problem here if you play by Marquis of Queensbury rules in a street fight you'll lose. If we're too inept as a club to be able to take advantage by spending exorbitant transfer fees on bang average players them putting them on hideously expense contracts then fair play to the other sides trying it. His dog said they looked a bit ruff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 9 hours ago, therealhantsram said: FFFP was introduced in 2014. 4 years on, no clubs have gone into administration. By contrast in the 5 years before FFP, 17 clubs went into administration. By this measure FFP has worked perfectly. Ffp is there to protect clubs from incompetent irresponsible owners. yes some take a gamble and win. But for every winner there's a few losers. the chasm between the premier league and the championship has been created by tv money. But championship chairmen have collectively lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 05/07/2018 at 13:40, RadioactiveWaste said: Part of the whole problem with FFP is it will entrench big clubs and little clubs and make it harder to grow in size. Oh wait, now, like parachute payments, it's only actually happened because it'll favour bigger club's. How can you hit the ground Running when You Have no money For a Parachute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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