ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I think once they found inconsistencies in his evidence he was doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Hmmmm, not sure what to make of it. Its actually nothing to do with the racism allegations. It refers to an incident in his previous job where a complaint was made and a full investigation took place and he was cleared but two chaps from the FA have got their hands on the report recently and decided between them that actually he should be sacked even though no laws have been broken citing something about cross boundaries between coach and player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Paul71 said: Hmmmm, not sure what to make of it. Its actually nothing to do with the racism allegations. It refers to an incident in his previous job where a complaint was made and a full investigation took place and he was cleared but two chaps from the FA have got their hands on the report recently and decided between them that actually he should be sacked even though no laws have been broken citing something about cross boundaries between coach and player. Good summary of what I just heard from watching Martin Glen the Fa chief exec. He added that he personally had been aware of this report in 2015. Had been aware that the conclusion was that"with some further mentoring and coaching Mark Sampson would not pose any risk". But then cryptically added that "if I knew then what I know now he would not have been appointed ". No idea what he is alleged to have done. Various elliptical comments made about the boundary point and something about conduct expected of a senior FA employee. Cue lots of salacious speculation in the Sun et al by hordes of salivating journos I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Good summary of what I just heard from watching Martin Glen the Fa chief exec. He added that he personally had been aware of this report in 2015. Had been aware that the conclusion was that"with some further mentoring and coaching Mark Sampson would not pose any risk". But then cryptically added that "if I knew then what I know now he would not have been appointed ". No idea what he is alleged to have done. Various elliptical comments made about the boundary point and something about conduct expected of a senior FA employee. Cue lots of salacious speculation in the Sun et al by hordes of salivating journos I guess. Makes me ask why have they only just seen the content if they knew about it before? Can't imagine its the sort of thing you just happen across. Surely if they were aware of it they should have asked to see the content then, seems quite negligent to me. If I was being cynical I might think that having a racism allegation against him seems to have been a his word against hers situation has put them in a difficult position so they have gone digging to try and find an alternative way to oust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Summat ain't right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Sounds to me like the FA went searching for a reason to sack him after realising this wouldn’t blow over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Quote Mark Sampson has been sacked as England women's manager following evidence of "inappropriate and unacceptable" behaviour with female players in a previous role. The Football Association says that last week it was made aware of the full details of safeguarding allegations made against Sampson in 2014 relating to his time as Bristol Academy manager. But a 2015 FA assessment found Sampson did not pose a risk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41326806 Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Paul71 said: Hmmmm, not sure what to make of it. Its actually nothing to do with the racism allegations. I I think that it may well have something to do with the alleged allegations of racism. To be accused of racism today is akin to being accused of witchcraft in the Middle Ages. The mere suggestion of racism in a public figure is enough. Despite two inquiries and no wrong doing being uncovered, the F.A. fearing the wrath of the race relations industry, decided that he had to go. Have we actually been told what Samson's supposed to have done with regard to his "inappropriate behavior", or are we to be satisfied with just this nudge-nudge, wink-wink stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Another case of the PC brigade shouting the loudest. I fail to see anything racist about what he said. If it was a player with Ukrainian heritage and he'd said "I hope they don't bring Swine Flu with them", we would not be having this conversation. But as per usual, the snowflakes shout loud and the FA act like their usual spineless selves. Everyone is a racist, nazi, homophobic bigot according to some. I'm tempted to become transgender just so I can go to the top of the PC hierarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Now being said the FA were warned about appointing him in the first place http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41345690 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 49 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: Everyone is a racist, nazi, homophobic bigot according to some. I'm tempted to become transgender just so I can go to the top of the PC hierarchy. I think you'll find that to get to the top you'll have to be at least a black , Muslim, transgender- transvestite, single parent uni-dexter with refugee status. Sorry, can't help you with the transgender-transvestite dress code, you're on your own with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, hkrammm said: If I asked my student if she's any history of being arrested, or that her family be kept away because of Ebola risk, I would be jobless. Not to mention rumors of "inappropriate behavior" with students or ex-students. It's like Sam Allardyce trying to chat up Dele Alli or Eric Dier... Of course he hasn't been sacked though for the supposed racist comments, he denied saying and was cleared after an investigation not once but twice. The FA were aware if the report about the inappropriate relationships and still employed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 4 hours ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Now being said the FA were warned about appointing him in the first place http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41345690 He should sue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, hkrammm said: The FA were wrong then. I am sure people would have no qualms if Mark Sampson is a stand-up comedian. The thing is the relationship at hand is between a coach and his players. So there's a strong element of dependency in it. And no, does not matter if the players are underage or adults. I agree with almost all off that but I'd also say that relationships with colleagues, superiors, managers, whoever, goes on in every single walk of employment. Of course if there's any doubt whatsoever that there was an abuse of power or anything inappropriate or non-consensual, then it would warrant instant dismissal and probably due to the nature of his job, another investigation. If he's just slept with one of the players cos they fancied each other, then I'd find that hard to get up in arms about. Listening to the lad over the last couple of weeks has been painful though, so many clichés and buzzwords, so scripted even if what he's saying is genuine. I'd personally find it quite difficult to trust him as a manager but that's just personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 13 hours ago, hkrammm said: If I asked my student if she's any history of being arrested, or that her family be kept away because of Ebola risk, I would be jobless. Not to mention rumors of "inappropriate behavior" with students or ex-students. It's like Sam Allardyce trying to chat up Dele Alli or Eric Dier... Sam would destroy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'm not sure you can be sacked from a current job that you have been appointed to and undertaken without incident due to some historical verbals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Managers should be judged on results - fact Hasnt He done well with england in tournaments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, dcfcfan1 said: Managers should be judged on results - fact Hasnt He done well with england in tournaments? I suppose Glenn Hoddle did 'ok', and Big Sam has a 100% record Other factors should be taken into consideration, however this case really does smack of the FA feeling embarrased by the fact the player in question would not let it go about the racism allegations and they felt it was an easy way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I suppose Glenn Hoddle did 'ok', and Big Sam has a 100% record Other factors should be taken into consideration, however this case really does smack of the FA feeling embarrased by the fact the player in question would not let it go about the racism allegations and they felt it was an easy way out. Exactly, we have a daft record of hounding good english managers out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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